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Odd to see so many people come up with ways to defend this unethical business. It's hard to pin it on them legally but they are still dicks doing dicky things,

Odd to see so many people come up with ways to defend this unethical business. It's hard to pin it on them legally but they are still dicks doing dicky things, they know it and they do it on purpose, and there is no clear way to fight it.

robgibbons 6y ago
I am not advocating for vigilantism, but it seems to me that these kinds of people who are career criminals can only be meaningfully stopped by other criminals. Police and lawyers are powerless, due to red tape and limitations in the system. So it would seemingly follow that only those who don't rely on legal means of recourse can put a stop to them. In other words: Batman. This is how you get Batman.
RandomWorker 6y ago
So true, the horrors of the stuff they are hosting is profound. If they where even slightly on the up and up then it might destroy their business. While reading this article there needs to be better legislative powers, but I guess big tech has its own power. The governments hands are tied because so much of the Dutch economy is becoming hosting of data probably driven by the lacks laws. Some changes to this system and it comes down all pretty quickly. We need some intelligence people that need to go on to inside of this place and make sure when things come up to intervene. Maybe have the capabilities to trace where it’s originating from. NRC did a great job republishing this story in English maybe there will be European pressure now.
AndrewUnmuted 6y ago
Most data centers with the reviews these guys have would not last. This one is able to find a market because despite everything bad they do, there's a strong market demand to overcome ridiculous DMCA, GDPR, and other internet regulations. They can be a shitty service provider in every conceivable way, but because they are able to exist in a void instigated upon us by bad legislation, they can continue on in a way others cannot. I doubt many here would defend the way the business is being run. But misguided attempts at regulating the internet at the legislative level gives rise to these kinds of problems in the market. I am sure many here are simply sick of seeing this play out again and again. Just like how drug prohibition gave rise to international drug cartels, internet content regulation gives rise to data centers that flaunt those rules.
- oneplane 6y ago
  They don't exist because of some anti-conformity, they exist because there are people in the world that like to host malware, spam and child pornography. That is why they exist and the only reason they exist.

robgibbons 6y ago

I am not advocating for vigilantism, but it seems to me that these kinds of people who are career criminals can only be meaningfully stopped by other criminals. Police and lawyers are powerless, due to red tape and limitations in the system. So it would seemingly follow that only those who don't rely on legal means of recourse can put a stop to them. In other words: Batman. This is how you get Batman.

RandomWorker 6y ago

So true, the horrors of the stuff they are hosting is profound. If they where even slightly on the up and up then it might destroy their business. While reading this article there needs to be better legislative powers, but I guess big tech has its own power. The governments hands are tied because so much of the Dutch economy is becoming hosting of data probably driven by the lacks laws. Some changes to this system and it comes down all pretty quickly. We need some intelligence people that need to go on to inside of this place and make sure when things come up to intervene. Maybe have the capabilities to trace where it’s originating from. NRC did a great job republishing this story in English maybe there will be European pressure now.

AndrewUnmuted 6y ago

Most data centers with the reviews these guys have would not last. This one is able to find a market because despite everything bad they do, there's a strong market demand to overcome ridiculous DMCA, GDPR, and other internet regulations. They can be a shitty service provider in every conceivable way, but because they are able to exist in a void instigated upon us by bad legislation, they can continue on in a way others cannot. I doubt many here would defend the way the business is being run. But misguided attempts at regulating the internet at the legislative level gives rise to these kinds of problems in the market. I am sure many here are simply sick of seeing this play out again and again. Just like how drug prohibition gave rise to international drug cartels, internet content regulation gives rise to data centers that flaunt those rules.

oneplane 6y ago
They don't exist because of some anti-conformity, they exist because there are people in the world that like to host malware, spam and child pornography. That is why they exist and the only reason they exist.