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See though, this is the issue. What you see as a useful or mistaken feature is likely a different set to another user, just as we’ve seen above. I think it’s a
by jsmeaton 6y ago
See though, this is the issue. What you see as a useful or mistaken feature is likely a different set to another user, just as we’ve seen above.
I think it’s a mistake to defer to the zen of python without considering the PEPs themselves which do discuss trade offs. (I’ll note that you didn’t make that claim but GP did).
- neolog 6y agoTbh I think a consensus of expert Pythonistas would agree with me. Walrus only got through because of the "dictatorship".
- jsmeaton 6y agoPerhaps :) That’s not a hill I’m willing to die on but I agree with the positives from your list. And the small handful of times I’ve used walrus have been nice, but not game changing.
- musingsole 6y agoLanguage features of this type should be nice and not game changing. It's how spoken word languages evolve. If every change was game-changing, it'd only be a few mutations until a dialect became a language in its own right. In reality, you get countless dialects frequently with features that eventually die off and new languages rarely and only in the aggregate.
- GeorgeTirebiter 6y agoSeems to me the 'sweet spot' for a language is a careful balance of continuing to evolve - slowly, carefully - and to not become so large as to 'not fit into one head'. Python3.9 is not yet at the 'too big for one head'; but 3.xx could be. Perhaps old-style features need to be removed, and only available via some sort of "from __past__ import old-feature-set"
- neolog 6y agoThey could just deprecate without removing.
- musingsole 6y agoIt's hard for me to separate a language from what it is used to accomplish, and from that perspective, Python has been far too large to fit in one head for a good long time. Perhaps that is why I don't find any compulsion for language purity.
- neolog 6y ago> too large to fit in one head is it? I don't think the core language is that big. The libraries are big of course.
- pansa2 6y agoAn example of core language complexity: if asked, could you explain what all of these do? https://twitter.com/raymondh/status/1280988785841278976 https://twitter.com/raymondh/status/1280988785841278976
- coldtea 6y ago>Walrus only got through because of the "dictatorship". Well, then again I wouldn't consider anybody a more expert Pythonista than Guido.