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I live in the USA dude... you can chose pasture raised animals here as well. During the early days of the pandemic my sister bought a whole lamb, and 5 pasture

I live in the USA dude... you can chose pasture raised animals here as well. During the early days of the pandemic my sister bought a whole lamb, and 5 pasture raised chickens from a family farm in Massachusetts so our family didn't have to risk going to the grocery store often and risk exposure (my parents are in their mid-ate 70s). Nothing wrong with eating pasture raised animals from a local family farms. It can be pricier, but if you can afford it, go for it. Since they forage grass (which captures carbon), they tend to be almost carbon neutral. Your vegan soy beans are probably raised and processed with some intense farming method, using lots of fuel, and are probably more damaging to the environment. Things like vegetarian meat substitute (like beyond meat), are worse to the environment than grass fed/pasture raised animals from small farms. Also, things like 'almond milk', are very intense users of water, which has become very scarce in central California. BTW, this is what pastures in Albania look like. 100% natural http://abroadcooks.blogspot.com/2017/01/albania-tave-kosi.html http://abroadcooks.blogspot.com/2017/01/albania-tave-kosi.ht...

saagarjha 6y ago
> Things like vegetarian meat substitute (like beyond meat), are worse to the environment than grass fed/pasture raised animals from small farms. This is entirely false. Pasture raised animals are generally worse for the environment than feedlot-fed animals, which are already much bad to begin with compared to plant-based foods. You can try to justify it to yourself as “the animals are happier because this is more humane” (which I’m not disregarding, mind you, although I dryly note that not eating animals at all is even better), but from an environmental standpoint raising animals this way is energy intensive and “inefficient”.
TaylorAlexander 6y ago
I think you have misunderstood me. The parent said that in poorer countries they may have to kill sheep when they are young if there is not enough grass to feed them on in the winter. But we do not have the problem of a lack of animal food in the USA. We eat young sheep ("lamb") simply because they are considered to taste better. It is not due to material lack of animal feed.
TaylorAlexander 6y ago
Too late to add to my previous comment but if you live in the USA I don’t see what pastures in Albania have to do with anything. I work in a farming town and I see the grass fed cows in the pasture. I’m quite aware of the pastoral views and open air. And then the animals disappear. It’s the disappearing part that I am concerned with. The animal is raised as property and killed to serve us. If you consider that they are sentient beings with as much right to live as you and I, it all seems rather horrible. Even if one believes pasture raised meat is ethical, the majority of meat consumption in the USA comes from factory farms, a truly grotesque operation.

saagarjha 6y ago

> Things like vegetarian meat substitute (like beyond meat), are worse to the environment than grass fed/pasture raised animals from small farms. This is entirely false. Pasture raised animals are generally worse for the environment than feedlot-fed animals, which are already much bad to begin with compared to plant-based foods. You can try to justify it to yourself as “the animals are happier because this is more humane” (which I’m not disregarding, mind you, although I dryly note that not eating animals at all is even better), but from an environmental standpoint raising animals this way is energy intensive and “inefficient”.

TaylorAlexander 6y ago

I think you have misunderstood me. The parent said that in poorer countries they may have to kill sheep when they are young if there is not enough grass to feed them on in the winter. But we do not have the problem of a lack of animal food in the USA. We eat young sheep ("lamb") simply because they are considered to taste better. It is not due to material lack of animal feed.

TaylorAlexander 6y ago

Too late to add to my previous comment but if you live in the USA I don’t see what pastures in Albania have to do with anything. I work in a farming town and I see the grass fed cows in the pasture. I’m quite aware of the pastoral views and open air. And then the animals disappear. It’s the disappearing part that I am concerned with. The animal is raised as property and killed to serve us. If you consider that they are sentient beings with as much right to live as you and I, it all seems rather horrible. Even if one believes pasture raised meat is ethical, the majority of meat consumption in the USA comes from factory farms, a truly grotesque operation.