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Revision demoparty banned on Twitch mid-stream
- glistenemployed 6y ago…and CCC helps them get back up: https://streaming.media.ccc.de/revision/revision https://streaming.media.ccc.de/revision/revision
- q3k 6y agoIt's amazing how fast they got everything back up. And at a higher quality than Twitch, too! The c3voc folks are heroes.
- ArtWomb 6y agoQuality is terrific. Probably because the lo-fi frames compress nicely! Underscores the need for a dedicated video service for live coders, algo ravers, demosceners, etc. Mux would be an interesting sponsor here ;)
- q3k 6y agoDemos, especially modern/highend prods with tons of noise and other tiny details (scanline filters, fractals, ...), are legendarily ruthless encoder killers.
- laverya 6y agoKind of ironic, given how small the sources are.
- toxik 6y agoInteresting challenge Smallest demo that compressed to the largest video file
- makapuf 6y agoCat /dev/random?
- timClicks 6y agoSurely dd would be faster than that.
- CodesInChaos 6y ago/dev/random is super slow and even /dev/urandom is surprisingly slow. If you care about performance, something like round reduced AES or ChaCha would be a decent choice.
- IcePic 6y agoOpenBSD /dev/(u)random uses ChaCha20 and gives me a few hundred MB/s on recent hw.
- vanviegen 6y agoThat would actually be really easy to replicate in such a way that no human could tell the difference.
- toxik 6y agoSomewhat lacking in the aesthetic department
- mckirk 6y agoThat actually nicely illustrates the parallel between AI and compression. An 'almighty' AI would be able to reverse engineer the source code from what it sees and compress it back down to that size. But then it might determine that the best compression would be no transmission at all, and decide to eradicate any potential viewers. Those damn pesky almighty AIs.
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- rexreed 6y agoWhat streaming tech / infrastructure do they use?
- q3k 6y agoA bunch of custom stuff around industry and open standards, from camera to mixer to transcoder to CDN to browser code. https://c3voc.de/wiki/docu:overview https://c3voc.de/wiki/docu:overview
- kaszanka 6y agoVery, very surprising considering the trash that's allowed to stay up on Twitch.
- algorias 6y agoOn one hand, I'm shocked that this actually happened, but OTOH, I can't say I'm surprised by this. Companies like twitch have no respect for art and creative expression. Their very purpose makes them incapable of truly caring. They'll impose whatever policies make their business more convenient to run, no matter the collateral damage.
- chevill 6y agoI'm not too surprised given their history of inconsistent moderation and random, secretive bans. I do wonder what the justification was here. They have a section for digital art, game dev/game dev art, and other types of art including traditional. Seems like this would be acceptable.
- dt3ft 6y agoI have seen plenty of almost naked girls on twitch frontpage. This is borderline prostitution and should have no place on twitch, a platform built for and made popular by gamers. I really hope twitch gets a worthy competitor soon.
- supergirl 6y agoit's more like soft porn. and it's not just twitch. youtube as well. tiktok is full of this. they all get many views from this. and of course there is OnlyFans which took it a step further, letting girls get money directly from viewers.
- elliekelly 6y agoAre “almost naked” women (almost naked girls would be problematic and possibly illegal) playing video games not gamers? It seems to me they are. And since twitch is a platform “built for and made popular by gamers” it seems to me twitch was built for and made popular by people just like them.
- argvargc 6y ago"Bears" by Void in the Amiga 64KB Intro comp just now was incredible, a true piece of art. This is great!
- q3k 6y agoSix five oh two install gentoo!
- aspensmonster 6y agoImpressed with SmashStash by iNSANE.
- haunter 6y agoNot enough titty streamers in hot tubs. Twitch is now (since ~2017) Chaturbate-lite, they don't care about content like this because doesn't bring enough thirsty viewers who will sub and donate.
- throw-away_42 6y agoI just checked the top 50 live streams in English by viewer count. Exactly one of the fifty (it's not even in the top half) fits your characterization.
- ficklepickle 6y agoIt's a bit of an incel meme. One tried to sue twitch for $25 million for making him into a masturbation addict or some such thing.
- ng12 6y agoThose streams certainly receive less aggressive moderation.
- busterarm 6y agoJust wait a few hours. You picked the wrong time.
- lrae 6y agoIf you don't filter by English (or anything else), it's only two in the Top 200 right now. One of them is dancing (which then seems fine to me), one is doing ASMR and her outfit today isn't even that much of a "titty streamer". And zero in hot tubs. Didn't expect HN to fall for the incel memes like that. Also didn't think I need to give that advice here, but Twitch's frontpage and suggestions in the sidebar are personalized, so if you see those kind of streams regularly, it might be your surfing behavior. That does not mean that Twitch doesn't have some problems in their moderation/admin team, but especially the "titty streamer / hot tub" problem isn't as big as some try to make it out to be.
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- zokier 6y agoI might ask here; RTX has been out for 2.5 years, has there been any cool demos (in the demoscene sense) that use RTX in an interesting way? Because I can't recollect any, but then I have been following the scene pretty loosely lately.. I would have imagined its a tech that some coders would be very interested in.
- GuB-42 6y agoThere is already a lot of raytracing in the demoscene, no need for RTX. RTX accelerates ray intersection on a typical scene from a video game. But demos are usually not typical scenes, instead using mathematical models like signed distance fields that work differently. There are other issues: you need compatible hardware, it is not well supported by OpenGL if at all, there may be too much overhead for 64k or less intros. Personally I don't see how to take advantage of it in a way that opens new options, but maybe someone else will do. After all, it is something the scene is good at.
- provodjl 6y agoDemos outside of small sized intros usually still work with traditional mesh geometry, so RTX could have been helpful at least there. It's just not that many people are doing big demos anymore. For small intros it's almost as you say -- RTX is mostly uninsteresting and not that helpful for current status quo at least on the surface. However, while SDFs are do indeed provide a relatively cheap and intuitive way to specify your scene spatially to allow ray tracing and GI approximation with varying degrees of fakiness, they confine you to a rather limited abstract geometry stlye. Anything beyond yet another repeated-rotated-cube-with-cutouts-fractaled-to-death is rather uncomfortable to pull off and is also usually very slow (see iq's incredibly realistic works). That's why most of the intros from last 10+ years look rather similar. Also, I've been recently playing with Vulkan ray tracing extensions and turns out it's not that hard to pull off. There's a considerable upfront cost (Vulkan being verbose as it is), but it's totally manageable, around maybe 10-20k compressed. The entire PoC intro with music was about 60k, and I haven't even started optimizing it for size. It had also been compressed with "just" UPX (apparently ray tracing extensions work only in 64-bit mode, so more sophisticated compressors are out of the question). I've heard that recent work on native 64bit compressor from Ferris removed another 16k from it, so there's definitely a lot of room for actual content in 64k+rtx.
- argvargc 6y agoThe 4K PC intro competition is incredible, well-worth watching in full. If you didn't know they were entirely rendered in realtime by just 4K of code, you might think you were just watching a series of beautiful, well-produced music videos. (A few of the 256-byte ones afterwards get pretty hair-raising too.)
- echelon 6y agoIs anything capable of disrupting Twitch at this point? YouTube would be impossible to disrupt, but Twitch is ephemeral. So maybe if enough people got outraged?
- Judgmentality 6y agoMicrosoft tried and failed, plus Facebook and Google never really got anywhere. The irony is most people on twitch are surprisingly unhappy with it and want a better alternative. The other thing to know is that twitch is still a significant money loser for Amazon.
- busterarm 6y agoWhich is weird, because out of all of the platforms, Twitch keeps the biggest cut of ad revenue. They rate all ads at a fixed cost regardless the size of the streamer (which is bonkers). Twitch should have systems in place by now to make the most off an ad run on the biggest streamers, but they're doing a really poor job of it. Amazon does seem to be exerting some influence here to rectify this though (see recent metrics changes to Twitch APIs). This actually leads me to believe that Twitch users are probably at like a 95%+ AdBlock install rate.
- BlueTemplar 6y agoLike YouTube, Twitch is pretty good at bypassing adblockers.
- busterarm 6y agoI can't remember the last time I've seen an ad on either. And also the main point was that Twitch does a terrible job at monetizing off their ads. They have the worst advertising platform. Ads on Twitch run for all streamers. There's very little targeting capability and they strike individual deals for all ads on their system rather than purchase from a DSP.
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- colordrops 6y agoAny word on why they were banned?
- yoz-y 6y agoOne of the demos had a nipple in it. Probably got flagged by an algorithm.
- sgt 6y agoGood god, a nipple. Imagine if children were around, they've never seen a nipple before! /s
- StavrosK 6y agoI don't appreciate the sarcasm. Seeing a nipple can have serious effects on the psyche of a still-developing child. Luckily, the chance to see one (even by accident) is very small, since we banned nipples in 2017, and very few people now have them.
- sgt 6y agoThe sight of those diagonal nipple removal stripper tools.
- nunodonato 6y agoI'm curious, what are those serious side-effects? Humans have seen nipples since...forever? These sounds just like another crazy theory