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And some of those who do. Let's not forget that. Not everyone is taking sides because of published articles and blogs. Some people have interacted with him and

And some of those who do. Let's not forget that. Not everyone is taking sides because of published articles and blogs. Some people have interacted with him and had discussions with him and find his philosophies and behavior offense and unacceptable. To ignore that reality makes a lot of this fighting even more pointless.

threatofrain 6y ago
The most important part to me is that Stallman has achieved the dislike of notable people in the community, the kind you’d want FSF building bridges to. All the other signatures is just a poorly conducted popularity contest.
- d_tr 6y ago
  > All the other signatures is just a poorly conducted popularity contest. In this case, the "dislike", since you are referring to the open letter and the signatures, means "He has shown himself to be misogynist, ableist, and transphobic". This is the text that these people signed and this is obviously the main point of the letter, followed by "among other serious accusations of impropriety". People have been vilified unjustly before (by insiders and outsiders alike) and will be in the future. If there is some actual proof that RMS is "misogynist, ableist, and transphobic", I would like to see it. Citing his article about pronouns as proof that he is transphobic is kind of insane and more than enough by itself to make the open letter invalid. And this is not the only thing that is wrong with this letter.
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- vmla 6y ago
  Most "notable" people are to be found in any witch hunt and cancellation effort, starting from the NodeJs pronoun witch hunt of a non-native speaker. It is always the same developers who sign these defamatory pamphlets. In a project I know, they are less than 5% of all core developers. Two of them have never contributed more than 10 doc fixes. If dang allowed us to name names, they could be pointed out here. But he does not. The other category is people who got rich off GNU/Linux, have known Stallman for three decades, knew his personality and his gaffes and now throw him under the bus. I think it is fair to name company leaders, since they are definitely public figures. I saw Dirk Hohndel of SuSE on the anti-Stallman list. It was one of my most disillusioning moments of my life. I'm reminded yet again how the world works.
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  - dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
    > I saw Dirk Hohndel of SuSE on the anti-Stallman list. Yes, I was a bit shocked by Suse and Red Hat chiming in. I mean, these guys are literally making money from RMS work, he made their jobs possible. I wonder what Bob Young would say.
- aortega 6y ago
  >Stallman has achieved the dislike of notable people in the community, Notable people that were always under the shadow of RMS and see an opportunity to join a do a coup. This is a political power-move to remove a non-cooperating person, no more than that.

threatofrain 6y ago

The most important part to me is that Stallman has achieved the dislike of notable people in the community, the kind you’d want FSF building bridges to. All the other signatures is just a poorly conducted popularity contest.

d_tr 6y ago
> All the other signatures is just a poorly conducted popularity contest. In this case, the "dislike", since you are referring to the open letter and the signatures, means "He has shown himself to be misogynist, ableist, and transphobic". This is the text that these people signed and this is obviously the main point of the letter, followed by "among other serious accusations of impropriety". People have been vilified unjustly before (by insiders and outsiders alike) and will be in the future. If there is some actual proof that RMS is "misogynist, ableist, and transphobic", I would like to see it. Citing his article about pronouns as proof that he is transphobic is kind of insane and more than enough by itself to make the open letter invalid. And this is not the only thing that is wrong with this letter.
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vmla 6y ago
Most "notable" people are to be found in any witch hunt and cancellation effort, starting from the NodeJs pronoun witch hunt of a non-native speaker. It is always the same developers who sign these defamatory pamphlets. In a project I know, they are less than 5% of all core developers. Two of them have never contributed more than 10 doc fixes. If dang allowed us to name names, they could be pointed out here. But he does not. The other category is people who got rich off GNU/Linux, have known Stallman for three decades, knew his personality and his gaffes and now throw him under the bus. I think it is fair to name company leaders, since they are definitely public figures. I saw Dirk Hohndel of SuSE on the anti-Stallman list. It was one of my most disillusioning moments of my life. I'm reminded yet again how the world works.
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- dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
  > I saw Dirk Hohndel of SuSE on the anti-Stallman list. Yes, I was a bit shocked by Suse and Red Hat chiming in. I mean, these guys are literally making money from RMS work, he made their jobs possible. I wonder what Bob Young would say.
aortega 6y ago
>Stallman has achieved the dislike of notable people in the community, Notable people that were always under the shadow of RMS and see an opportunity to join a do a coup. This is a political power-move to remove a non-cooperating person, no more than that.