7 ms·

That sounds a little like telling someone that their problems are that their cows are not spherical. For graphics drivers specifically, having tochoose between

by gknoy 6y ago

That sounds a little like telling someone that their problems are that their cows are not spherical. For graphics drivers specifically, having tochoose between FOSS and something that works is very frustrating.

dmm 6y ago
The FOSS amd and intel drivers work great and have for years.
- mcny 6y ago
  I would have agreed with you but sound input broke for me (Lenovo flex 14 with AMD R5 3500U) on fedora with kernel 5.8 and didn’t get fixed until 5.9. That was months of something being broken. How did this happen and more importantly did we learn anything to prevent this from happening in the future? For now fedora is on an old desktop machine with an ancient i3-2100 processor and I just ssh into it.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Some Intel GPUs only got Vulkan support on Windows.
- notyourday 6y ago
  > The FOSS amd and intel drivers work great and have for years. Intel has a random lock up in the Mesa. It had this lock up for several years. It has not been fixed. I have a 4k laptop with it, it is incredibly frustrating that I cannot use kitty or alacritty on it because of that crash. AMD driver crashes on modern cards every few weeks. If you want to have a "What are you talking about, it just works?" experience, you buy an NVidia card with proprietary drivers, slap X11 on it and you are off to the races. It just works (currently driving 4x 4k monitors). Last crash was about 11 months ago. The crash manifested in a freeze for about 20 seconds, followed by it recovering by itself. OSS graphics drivers are just not as good as people claim.
kaba0 6y ago
Fortunately with AMD GPUs on linux you get both, as the proprietary driver simply adds some opencl support if my memory serves well.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Nope, older GPUs just get basic support, while the older proprietary driver, more feature rich, don't work in modern kernels.
  - kaba0 6y ago
    Yeah, unfortunately it is not backported for older GPUs. But it doesn’t make the case of supported hardwares worse.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      It does, because the hardware support for OpenGL 4.1 got broken due to ideology.
      - joana035 6y ago
        Well, it is still open after all, given you are a very experienced guy you should consider rolling the sleeves and sending some patches to fix that, right? Giving back to the community for something you get for _free_ is nice.
        pjmlp 6y ago
        My gratis work is done for things that really matter to fellow humans, like charity, poor people on the street and not so lucky people that need an helping hand to get back into society, refugees that almost faced death running away from oppressive regimes. That is where I can gladly give my skills and money. Fixing code on Internet for free ain't it.
        joana035 6y ago

by gknoy 6y ago

dmm 6y ago

The FOSS amd and intel drivers work great and have for years.

mcny 6y ago
I would have agreed with you but sound input broke for me (Lenovo flex 14 with AMD R5 3500U) on fedora with kernel 5.8 and didn’t get fixed until 5.9. That was months of something being broken. How did this happen and more importantly did we learn anything to prevent this from happening in the future? For now fedora is on an old desktop machine with an ancient i3-2100 processor and I just ssh into it.
pjmlp 6y ago
Some Intel GPUs only got Vulkan support on Windows.
notyourday 6y ago
> The FOSS amd and intel drivers work great and have for years. Intel has a random lock up in the Mesa. It had this lock up for several years. It has not been fixed. I have a 4k laptop with it, it is incredibly frustrating that I cannot use kitty or alacritty on it because of that crash. AMD driver crashes on modern cards every few weeks. If you want to have a "What are you talking about, it just works?" experience, you buy an NVidia card with proprietary drivers, slap X11 on it and you are off to the races. It just works (currently driving 4x 4k monitors). Last crash was about 11 months ago. The crash manifested in a freeze for about 20 seconds, followed by it recovering by itself. OSS graphics drivers are just not as good as people claim.

kaba0 6y ago

Fortunately with AMD GPUs on linux you get both, as the proprietary driver simply adds some opencl support if my memory serves well.

pjmlp 6y ago
Nope, older GPUs just get basic support, while the older proprietary driver, more feature rich, don't work in modern kernels.
- kaba0 6y ago
  Yeah, unfortunately it is not backported for older GPUs. But it doesn’t make the case of supported hardwares worse.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    It does, because the hardware support for OpenGL 4.1 got broken due to ideology.
    - joana035 6y ago
      Well, it is still open after all, given you are a very experienced guy you should consider rolling the sleeves and sending some patches to fix that, right? Giving back to the community for something you get for _free_ is nice.
      - pjmlp 6y ago
        My gratis work is done for things that really matter to fellow humans, like charity, poor people on the street and not so lucky people that need an helping hand to get back into society, refugees that almost faced death running away from oppressive regimes. That is where I can gladly give my skills and money. Fixing code on Internet for free ain't it.
        joana035 6y ago