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I used a macbook for 2 years and the key binding is definitely less consistent than windows or linux. If nothing something as important as word navigation and w

I used a macbook for 2 years and the key binding is definitely less consistent than windows or linux. If nothing something as important as word navigation and word selection (ctrl+arrows and ctrl+shift+ arrows on linux and windows), is located in different modifiers (can't remember which), something along the lines of: move with command+arrow and select with option+shift+arrows. Drives me crazy every time, given that command + backspace deletes a word (and command +del deletes a word in the other direction).

dmitriid 6y ago
Option + arrows: move by word Option + Shift + arrows: select by word Cmd + arrows: move to the end of the line Cmd + Shift + arrows: select to the end of the line Additionally you can still use the decades old Ctrl+A/Ctrl+E shortcuts almost everywhere (some custom text input reimplementations ignore this).
- akra 6y ago
  But of course on a Win/Linux system you rarely need to use three fingers at once. On mac this is all too common for even the basic tasks you state. Shift + End: Select to the end of the line Home + End: Select to the beginning of the line Home or End: Move to beginning or end of line respectively. What's worse is when I plug in a keyboard with Home and End buttons on a recent Macbook Pro they still don't work. Do I need another plugin for that? Even if I do personally I don't find the Mac keyboard shortcuts better than Linux/Windows. Tbh after using Mac for 2 years running now every day at work I still don't quite get how people find it easier - I still wish personally for a Linux or even Windows machine to speed up my productivity. And that's because people prefer what they are familiar with them - the mental leap to jump to another way of working for most people isn't pleasant and isn't really worth the investment. Mac still feels like a "second language" to me just as Linux must feel to mac users - I'm always translating it back to "how do I do this Linux/Windows thing" in Mac. In the end Linux, Windows, and Mac are perfectly capable OS'es and the differences is marginal between them which makes switching difficult. But I do prefer my Linux machine these days - more just comes out of the box.
  - dmitriid 6y ago
    > But of course on a Win/Linux system you rarely need to use three fingers at once. On Windows the Window key is essentially removed from keyboard. On Linux you can use the Meta key, but I don't know how common that is. I find myself using a much wider range of shortcuts on Mac than on Windows or on Linux (though I rarely use Linux these days). It's a personal feeling, not real data :)
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 6y ago
  I'm probably misremembering. How to delete word (back and forward?), maybe it's that one.
  - dmitriid 6y ago
    Yes, delete/backspace delete one letter (forward/backward respectively), Cmd+delete/backspace deletes a whole word.
- SeanLuke 6y ago
  > Additionally you can still use the decades old Ctrl+A/Ctrl+E shortcuts almost everywhere These are in fact Emacs keybindings and they date from early NeXTstep. OS X inherited them from NeXT.
- rbreaves 6y ago
  I like it. It's part of my kinto app https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto.
robenkleene 6y ago
> If nothing something as important as word navigation and word selection (ctrl+arrows and ctrl+shift+ arrows on linux and windows), is located in different modifiers (can't remember which), something along the lines of: move with command+arrow and select with option+shift+arrows. I think you’re misremembering here, I don’t think there are any macOS keyboard shortcuts that work like this. It’s always shift plus the original keyboard shortcut to select.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 6y ago
  It could be! There is one that's hostile, but I can't remember which. I know for sure because my colleague switched back to a Mac and it's complaining about it

dmitriid 6y ago

Option + arrows: move by word Option + Shift + arrows: select by word Cmd + arrows: move to the end of the line Cmd + Shift + arrows: select to the end of the line Additionally you can still use the decades old Ctrl+A/Ctrl+E shortcuts almost everywhere (some custom text input reimplementations ignore this).

akra 6y ago
But of course on a Win/Linux system you rarely need to use three fingers at once. On mac this is all too common for even the basic tasks you state. Shift + End: Select to the end of the line Home + End: Select to the beginning of the line Home or End: Move to beginning or end of line respectively. What's worse is when I plug in a keyboard with Home and End buttons on a recent Macbook Pro they still don't work. Do I need another plugin for that? Even if I do personally I don't find the Mac keyboard shortcuts better than Linux/Windows. Tbh after using Mac for 2 years running now every day at work I still don't quite get how people find it easier - I still wish personally for a Linux or even Windows machine to speed up my productivity. And that's because people prefer what they are familiar with them - the mental leap to jump to another way of working for most people isn't pleasant and isn't really worth the investment. Mac still feels like a "second language" to me just as Linux must feel to mac users - I'm always translating it back to "how do I do this Linux/Windows thing" in Mac. In the end Linux, Windows, and Mac are perfectly capable OS'es and the differences is marginal between them which makes switching difficult. But I do prefer my Linux machine these days - more just comes out of the box.
- dmitriid 6y ago
  > But of course on a Win/Linux system you rarely need to use three fingers at once. On Windows the Window key is essentially removed from keyboard. On Linux you can use the Meta key, but I don't know how common that is. I find myself using a much wider range of shortcuts on Mac than on Windows or on Linux (though I rarely use Linux these days). It's a personal feeling, not real data :)
Fire-Dragon-DoL 6y ago
I'm probably misremembering. How to delete word (back and forward?), maybe it's that one.
- dmitriid 6y ago
  Yes, delete/backspace delete one letter (forward/backward respectively), Cmd+delete/backspace deletes a whole word.
SeanLuke 6y ago
> Additionally you can still use the decades old Ctrl+A/Ctrl+E shortcuts almost everywhere These are in fact Emacs keybindings and they date from early NeXTstep. OS X inherited them from NeXT.
rbreaves 6y ago
I like it. It's part of my kinto app https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto.

robenkleene 6y ago

> If nothing something as important as word navigation and word selection (ctrl+arrows and ctrl+shift+ arrows on linux and windows), is located in different modifiers (can't remember which), something along the lines of: move with command+arrow and select with option+shift+arrows. I think you’re misremembering here, I don’t think there are any macOS keyboard shortcuts that work like this. It’s always shift plus the original keyboard shortcut to select.

Fire-Dragon-DoL 6y ago
It could be! There is one that's hostile, but I can't remember which. I know for sure because my colleague switched back to a Mac and it's complaining about it