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No it doesn't. It really doesn't. There are sooo many issues that are still not fixed, years after being reported. Apple's Support site has pages where there's

No it doesn't. It really doesn't. There are sooo many issues that are still not fixed, years after being reported. Apple's Support site has pages where there's hundreds of people saying "I have this problem too", and no comment from an Apple dev. I'm not blaming them. This shit is hard, even if you control both the hardware and the software. I get why they don't say "it just works" any more.

PpEY4fu85hkQpn 6y ago
I'm going to shock you here but every platform has longstanding bugs with hundreds of people complaining about them.
- ungamedplayer 6y ago
  Yah, but good luck penetrating the apple forcefield.
- herbst 6y ago
  Not sure if i can agree. Major open source issues like this are usually solved at some point by some code hero. Or you just fix it yourself and solve anyone else problem too
  - zepto 6y ago
    This is an obvious straw man, parent is talking about ‘many issues’, and you are talking about major issues. Apple obviously doesn’t have a lot of unfixed major issues. Many small complaints is another matter.
    - herbst 6y ago
      Either i dont agree or we have a different understanding of major issue. Not being able to use a second screen withput active power, or being able to cook an egg in idle are in my eyes major issues. Both of which have long threads with no real response. I still get “me too“ emails from issues ive “me too“ 5+ years ago.
      - zepto 6y ago
        Sure but that’s not a real metric. There really is nowhere for everyday consumers to complain about comparable issues in Linux. There is nobody to complain to, and the the only options are self help. Anyone who fails, fails silently, and there is also the issue that because of all the variation in hardware and software setups it’s hard to even determine that an issue is the same. On the other side, Apple has more than a billion active users, so a few hundred people with a single issue really doesn’t mean anything at all.
- marcus_holmes 6y ago
  That's kinda the point - Apple is no different from any other platform in this respect.
zepto 6y ago
> There are sooo many issues that are still not fixed, years after being reported. Apple's Support site has pages where there's hundreds of people saying "I have this problem too", and no comment from an Apple dev. With a billion end-users this is really just noise. In any case this is a meaningless comparison. With Linux there is nowhere and nobody to even ask for this kind of support. The answer is always some version of RTFM or fix it yourself.
- marcus_holmes 6y ago
  > With Linux there is nowhere and nobody to even ask for this kind of support. This is not true. Every time I've run into a Linux problem, googling the error has always produced an answer. Often more than one answer. Often mutually incompatible answers. But one of them usually works. In the end. For Apple, googling the problem often leads to an Apple Support page that has no answers, just an endless stream of "I have this problem too". > The answer is always some version of RTFM or fix it yourself. At least you can fix it yourself.
  - zepto 6y ago
    > But one of them usually works. In the end. > At least you can fix it yourself. Almost no regular consumers can in fact fix it themselves. That’s why you see a small number of minor issues being complained about a lot on Mac forums.

PpEY4fu85hkQpn 6y ago

I'm going to shock you here but every platform has longstanding bugs with hundreds of people complaining about them.

ungamedplayer 6y ago
Yah, but good luck penetrating the apple forcefield.
herbst 6y ago
Not sure if i can agree. Major open source issues like this are usually solved at some point by some code hero. Or you just fix it yourself and solve anyone else problem too
- zepto 6y ago
  This is an obvious straw man, parent is talking about ‘many issues’, and you are talking about major issues. Apple obviously doesn’t have a lot of unfixed major issues. Many small complaints is another matter.
  - herbst 6y ago
    Either i dont agree or we have a different understanding of major issue. Not being able to use a second screen withput active power, or being able to cook an egg in idle are in my eyes major issues. Both of which have long threads with no real response. I still get “me too“ emails from issues ive “me too“ 5+ years ago.
    - zepto 6y ago
      Sure but that’s not a real metric. There really is nowhere for everyday consumers to complain about comparable issues in Linux. There is nobody to complain to, and the the only options are self help. Anyone who fails, fails silently, and there is also the issue that because of all the variation in hardware and software setups it’s hard to even determine that an issue is the same. On the other side, Apple has more than a billion active users, so a few hundred people with a single issue really doesn’t mean anything at all.
marcus_holmes 6y ago
That's kinda the point - Apple is no different from any other platform in this respect.

zepto 6y ago

> There are sooo many issues that are still not fixed, years after being reported. Apple's Support site has pages where there's hundreds of people saying "I have this problem too", and no comment from an Apple dev. With a billion end-users this is really just noise. In any case this is a meaningless comparison. With Linux there is nowhere and nobody to even ask for this kind of support. The answer is always some version of RTFM or fix it yourself.

marcus_holmes 6y ago
> With Linux there is nowhere and nobody to even ask for this kind of support. This is not true. Every time I've run into a Linux problem, googling the error has always produced an answer. Often more than one answer. Often mutually incompatible answers. But one of them usually works. In the end. For Apple, googling the problem often leads to an Apple Support page that has no answers, just an endless stream of "I have this problem too". > The answer is always some version of RTFM or fix it yourself. At least you can fix it yourself.
- zepto 6y ago
  > But one of them usually works. In the end. > At least you can fix it yourself. Almost no regular consumers can in fact fix it themselves. That’s why you see a small number of minor issues being complained about a lot on Mac forums.