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Not true with Islam. Many Hadiths warn against using loopholes, there's no "tricking" God in Islam.
by gher-shyu3i 6y ago
Not true with Islam. Many Hadiths warn against using loopholes, there's no "tricking" God in Islam.
- plorkyeran 6y agoNonetheless there is a widely used system of loans which use a fixed fee rather than interest payments which for fixed-term loans ends up being functionally identical.
- gher-shyu3i 6y agoThat doesn't make them Islamic, as a matter of fact, many scholars have spoken out against them.
- nyolfen 6y agoit is islamic, you just believe it is heterodox. just like any religion, there is not one true islam, but an intertwined cluster of sometimes contradictory cultural practices.
- gher-shyu3i 6y agoNot true. Scholars can differ on the meaning of certain texts, but all the scholars do their best to follow said texts to the best of their understanding, without retorting to loopholes because those are prohibited.
- nyolfen 6y agoyou: "these are loopholes. these other people say so." them: "these are not loopholes. these other people say so." all divine authority is mediated by men.
- gher-shyu3i 6y agoThe difference is that "them" are not scholars. We don't give credibility to any random person that attempts to derive jurisdiction.
- nyolfen 6y agoyes, but different scholars come to different conclusions, resulting in many islams
- gher-shyu3i 6y agoNot true. Islam inherently encompasses different points of view, as long as they are based on correct and proper evidence. Of course, this is not a blanket statement, since there are core immutable concepts in Islam, the "roots" to to speak. Minor things can have differing views as long as they are based on evidence.
- WJW 6y agoIt's so fascinating. There is no tricking God in Judaism either, but in a completely different way. Since God is by definition all-knowing, you cannot trick him by using a loophole. Rather, He put the loophole there for His own inscrutable purposes and you are not more or less holy for using it. (Unless it's a loophole in a holy text, then you are clearly more holy since you managed to find the loopholes that He himself put in there for the faithful to find)
- gher-shyu3i 6y agoThe Islamic perspective is different. If something is prohibited, then there is no trying to get around the prohibition by stitching together a series of individually permitted transactions, such that the end result is a transaction that mimics the original prohibited one. The prohibition is because the act itself is impermissible, and hence, we are not to try to get around it.
- skeletal88 6y agoThen the islamic students who we had here for an event 10 years sgo and refused ti eat pork but really liked to drink booze were full of shit when they answered "we are under a roof, god can't see here" when questioned about their drinking
- gher-shyu3i 6y agoWhich Islamic students? One of the most basic tenants of Islam, known to even pre-elementary school children, is that God is Omniscient. If what you're saying is really true, then they're ignorant and/or foolish. Plus, this doesn't have anything to do with the original topic.
- SturgeonsLaw 6y agoMuslims are real people, with the drives, desires and flaws of real people. The parent comment matches my experience too, my Muslim friends here in Australia will not touch pork at all, but love a bourbon and coke.
- wisty 6y agoThere's plenty of "Islamic banking" but I think there's lots of limitations (I think it often involved shared ownership, risk and profit sharing, etc).
- gher-shyu3i 6y agoThere can be some products that truly avoid interest and have proper shared ownership and the like. However, they seem to be far and few between, and scholars have called them out.