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> It's been an issue for more than a year — but it's about to be fixed. > Now, try searching for "Asian food," "Asian Americans," "Asian history," or even "loc

by Panino 6y ago

> It's been an issue for more than a year — but it's about to be fixed. > Now, try searching for "Asian food," "Asian Americans," "Asian history," or even "local Asian market" in your Safari browser. > All these searches are blocked. Clearly none of them have anything to do with adult content. I can't think of a better example of Asian people being treated as invisible. Apple, you need to do better. This isn't a typo kind of bug. Something is fundamentally wrong on your end to allow something like this to persist for over a year without being fixed.

GeekyBear 6y ago
Google never did fix the issue where pictures of black people were automatically being classified as gorillas. They just banned anything from being classified as a gorilla as a workaround. https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/12/16882408/google-racist-gorillas-photo-recognition-algorithm-ai https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/12/16882408/google-racist-go...
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rayiner 6y ago
I'd argue it's more a manifestation of "Asian" being an artificial construct that people don't use very often because it's typically meaningless. What the hell is "Asian food?" You're either looking for "Indian food" or "Japanese food" or "Korean food." What is "Asian history?" Are you talking about Mughals in Bangladesh or Qing in China? It's all completely different. People who are actually searching for these things use the specific term. I'm from Bangladesh. I don't look for an "Asian market." I look for a "Pakistani market" or "Halal market." I remember staring at a scantron in elementary school trying to figure out whether I should check the "Asian" box--which I ended up doing because the other categories made even less sense. It's only in politics and porn where "Asian" is heavily used.
- lupire 6y ago
  What is American food? What is European history?
  - dukeyukey 6y ago
    "American food" has a meaning because the term "American" typically means the US, and the US has quite a few foods popular across the country and not outside the country. "European history" works because basically all of Europe has had widespread interaction with the rest of Europe for millennia, while thanks to mountain ranges like the Himalayas and the Zagros, and the scale of the continent, huge swathes of Asia have historically had very little interaction. No Chinese dynasties have ever conquered India, and no Caliphate has ever reached China.
    - lupire 6y ago
      Just because the continent was never unified doesn't mean millions of people don't use the continent name to refer to part of it. India is often refered to as a subcontinent for this reason. Just like how "America" doesn't always mean all of North and South America, or even all of North America.
- bhupy 6y ago
  > I remember staring at a scantron in elementary school trying to figure out whether I should check the "Asian" box--which I ended up doing because the other categories made even less sense. I'm from India, and this still trips me up even to this day.
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- js2 6y ago
  > I don't look for an "Asian market." You may not, but people do: "An Asian supermarket is a category of grocery stores in Western countries that stocks items imported from the multiple countries in East, South and Southeast Asia." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_supermarket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_supermarket Here in Raleigh, NC we have Grand Asia Market: "Since our humble start in 1997, we've been doing our best to provide the community with the highest quality Asian groceries." -- https://www.grandasiamarket.com/ https://www.grandasiamarket.com/ H Mart is technically Korean, but its wiki page says: "H Mart is the largest Asian American grocery store chain, with 61 locations nationwide."
- AussieWog93 6y ago
  Are you in the UK? "Asian" is widely used in Australia/NZ (and I believe the US) to refer generally to countries in the Han sphere of cultural influence (China, Korea, Japan, most of SEA) - specifically not Bangladesh, Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka. There are businesses that literally brand themselves as "Asian Supermarkets" that sell items from these countries. Over here, there are Asian restaurants that serve a separate cuisine to what you'd find at a Chinese, Korean or Thai restaurant (closer to hawker food from Malaysia/Singapore, from what I understand, but with a more Chinese influence). Then there is "Asian Fusion" on top of that. There are universities that offer "Asian Studies" degrees, and probably a whole lot of other community organisations I don't know about because I'm not Asian.
- axaxs 6y ago
  On the surface, I agree. There's a big difference between Siberia, Japan, and Pakistan, sure. But please realize the US isn't the Valley with tons of variety of Asian folk. In most of the US, you get some generic semi offensively named restaurant like 'Golden Dragon' or 'Jade Palace' that attempts to make foods from multiple countries. Pad Thai or sushi or dumplings in one sitting. In most of the US, Asian people are sparse so stores and restaurants brand themselves as just Asian. My wife googles Asian stores to find things she likes, since her country specific stores are a real rarity.
- spoonjim 6y ago
  I am Asian and I have Googled Asian food! In American parlance it means rice noodles, brothy soups, soy sauce, peanuts and peanut oil, green onions, etc.
- maweki 6y ago
  Here in Germany we have stores that are literally named "Asia Markt" (Markt is German for Market) or "Asia Bistro". Usually you can buy food from Japan, Korea, China, and India.

by Panino 6y ago

GeekyBear 6y ago

Google never did fix the issue where pictures of black people were automatically being classified as gorillas. They just banned anything from being classified as a gorilla as a workaround. https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/12/16882408/google-racist-gorillas-photo-recognition-algorithm-ai https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/12/16882408/google-racist-go...

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rayiner 6y ago

I'd argue it's more a manifestation of "Asian" being an artificial construct that people don't use very often because it's typically meaningless. What the hell is "Asian food?" You're either looking for "Indian food" or "Japanese food" or "Korean food." What is "Asian history?" Are you talking about Mughals in Bangladesh or Qing in China? It's all completely different. People who are actually searching for these things use the specific term. I'm from Bangladesh. I don't look for an "Asian market." I look for a "Pakistani market" or "Halal market." I remember staring at a scantron in elementary school trying to figure out whether I should check the "Asian" box--which I ended up doing because the other categories made even less sense. It's only in politics and porn where "Asian" is heavily used.

lupire 6y ago
What is American food? What is European history?
- dukeyukey 6y ago
  "American food" has a meaning because the term "American" typically means the US, and the US has quite a few foods popular across the country and not outside the country. "European history" works because basically all of Europe has had widespread interaction with the rest of Europe for millennia, while thanks to mountain ranges like the Himalayas and the Zagros, and the scale of the continent, huge swathes of Asia have historically had very little interaction. No Chinese dynasties have ever conquered India, and no Caliphate has ever reached China.
  - lupire 6y ago
    Just because the continent was never unified doesn't mean millions of people don't use the continent name to refer to part of it. India is often refered to as a subcontinent for this reason. Just like how "America" doesn't always mean all of North and South America, or even all of North America.
bhupy 6y ago
> I remember staring at a scantron in elementary school trying to figure out whether I should check the "Asian" box--which I ended up doing because the other categories made even less sense. I'm from India, and this still trips me up even to this day.
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js2 6y ago
> I don't look for an "Asian market." You may not, but people do: "An Asian supermarket is a category of grocery stores in Western countries that stocks items imported from the multiple countries in East, South and Southeast Asia." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_supermarket https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_supermarket Here in Raleigh, NC we have Grand Asia Market: "Since our humble start in 1997, we've been doing our best to provide the community with the highest quality Asian groceries." -- https://www.grandasiamarket.com/ https://www.grandasiamarket.com/ H Mart is technically Korean, but its wiki page says: "H Mart is the largest Asian American grocery store chain, with 61 locations nationwide."
AussieWog93 6y ago
Are you in the UK? "Asian" is widely used in Australia/NZ (and I believe the US) to refer generally to countries in the Han sphere of cultural influence (China, Korea, Japan, most of SEA) - specifically not Bangladesh, Pakistan, India and Sri Lanka. There are businesses that literally brand themselves as "Asian Supermarkets" that sell items from these countries. Over here, there are Asian restaurants that serve a separate cuisine to what you'd find at a Chinese, Korean or Thai restaurant (closer to hawker food from Malaysia/Singapore, from what I understand, but with a more Chinese influence). Then there is "Asian Fusion" on top of that. There are universities that offer "Asian Studies" degrees, and probably a whole lot of other community organisations I don't know about because I'm not Asian.
axaxs 6y ago
On the surface, I agree. There's a big difference between Siberia, Japan, and Pakistan, sure. But please realize the US isn't the Valley with tons of variety of Asian folk. In most of the US, you get some generic semi offensively named restaurant like 'Golden Dragon' or 'Jade Palace' that attempts to make foods from multiple countries. Pad Thai or sushi or dumplings in one sitting. In most of the US, Asian people are sparse so stores and restaurants brand themselves as just Asian. My wife googles Asian stores to find things she likes, since her country specific stores are a real rarity.
spoonjim 6y ago
I am Asian and I have Googled Asian food! In American parlance it means rice noodles, brothy soups, soy sauce, peanuts and peanut oil, green onions, etc.
maweki 6y ago
Here in Germany we have stores that are literally named "Asia Markt" (Markt is German for Market) or "Asia Bistro". Usually you can buy food from Japan, Korea, China, and India.