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I don't think you'd like my theology, but just in case you do, have you read Left Beyond? https://www.deviantart.com/spiritplumber/art/Left-Beyond-Additional-m

I don't think you'd like my theology, but just in case you do, have you read Left Beyond? https://www.deviantart.com/spiritplumber/art/Left-Beyond-Additional-material-842711345 https://www.deviantart.com/spiritplumber/art/Left-Beyond-Add...

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
I have not. Summary?
- spiritplumber 6y ago
  Summary: The Rapture happens in 1996, as described by the Left Behind novels. As has been made fun in Fred Clark's extensive liveblogging/review of those novels, the Antichrist hires some hypercompetent person to run the new world order's FCC / cable / internet company. This is the story of that person and, most importantly, of that organization. They have 7 years in which to figure out how to cancel the Apocalypse even as it happens all around them. Beating up God is hard, especially if God has control of the narrative...
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    Interesting premise for a novel. But you tied this to your theology. Do you believe that?
    - spiritplumber 6y ago
      I'm a Deist, personally. I do however believe that IF a Devil or a God or a Thanos were to show up and try to kill most of humanity (Which... if it's an actual divine being, incidentally would mean that I'm wrong about being a Deist, but I can live with that!) it would be a moral imperative to prevent them from doing so. In that sense Avengers Endgame is a better Rapture movie than the Left Behind movies... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7KTOLbyfQ&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7KTOLbyfQ&t=1s
      - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
        To some degree, I think God agrees with you. That's what the cross means - God trying to prevent sin from killing humanity, at an incredible cost. (I note that I'm writing this on Good Friday.) But as you were charitable and suspected that I wouldn't like your theology, I recognize that you probably won't like mine, either...
        spiritplumber 6y ago
        I was raised Catholic and Evangelical, became an Atheist as soon as I could get out, and became a Deist after working with cosmologists a little. The only theology I actively dislike is Calvinism and its offshoots (Presuppositionalism and so on), mainly because they effectively paint God as playing a single-player game with humanity as the NPCs.
  - ksaj 6y ago
    It's hard, but it's been done. Here's a story about Jacob literally having fisticuffs with God in a dark alley, and kicking His butt. After, Jacob freaks out realizing he met God face to face, beat Him up, and got rewarded instead of disappeared. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2032%3A22-32&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2032%3A... According to the ending, Jacob's only injury is a really big thing: "Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon." It would be interesting to see if that is still true. And a theory of what Jacob did to make God call "Give!"
    - spiritplumber 6y ago
      Yep. I actually use that in my story: armor and weapons turn out to be essentially useless against Angels, so the agency has to start a martial arts program. There are exceptions, such as Terry Pratchett's meteoric-iron sword (taken to have Captain Carrot's characteristic of "being the least magical sword you could think of"); retrieving it is in itself a subplot. :) You can find the whole thing (stories and RPG worldbooks) here: https://www.deviantart.com/spiritplumber/art/Left-Beyond-Additional-material-842711345 https://www.deviantart.com/spiritplumber/art/Left-Beyond-Add...
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AnimalMuppet 6y ago

I have not. Summary?

spiritplumber 6y ago
Summary: The Rapture happens in 1996, as described by the Left Behind novels. As has been made fun in Fred Clark's extensive liveblogging/review of those novels, the Antichrist hires some hypercompetent person to run the new world order's FCC / cable / internet company. This is the story of that person and, most importantly, of that organization. They have 7 years in which to figure out how to cancel the Apocalypse even as it happens all around them. Beating up God is hard, especially if God has control of the narrative...
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  Interesting premise for a novel. But you tied this to your theology. Do you believe that?
  - spiritplumber 6y ago
    I'm a Deist, personally. I do however believe that IF a Devil or a God or a Thanos were to show up and try to kill most of humanity (Which... if it's an actual divine being, incidentally would mean that I'm wrong about being a Deist, but I can live with that!) it would be a moral imperative to prevent them from doing so. In that sense Avengers Endgame is a better Rapture movie than the Left Behind movies... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7KTOLbyfQ&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn7KTOLbyfQ&t=1s
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      To some degree, I think God agrees with you. That's what the cross means - God trying to prevent sin from killing humanity, at an incredible cost. (I note that I'm writing this on Good Friday.) But as you were charitable and suspected that I wouldn't like your theology, I recognize that you probably won't like mine, either...
      - spiritplumber 6y ago
        I was raised Catholic and Evangelical, became an Atheist as soon as I could get out, and became a Deist after working with cosmologists a little. The only theology I actively dislike is Calvinism and its offshoots (Presuppositionalism and so on), mainly because they effectively paint God as playing a single-player game with humanity as the NPCs.
- ksaj 6y ago
  It's hard, but it's been done. Here's a story about Jacob literally having fisticuffs with God in a dark alley, and kicking His butt. After, Jacob freaks out realizing he met God face to face, beat Him up, and got rewarded instead of disappeared. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2032%3A22-32&version=NIV https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2032%3A... According to the ending, Jacob's only injury is a really big thing: "Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the tendon attached to the socket of the hip, because the socket of Jacob’s hip was touched near the tendon." It would be interesting to see if that is still true. And a theory of what Jacob did to make God call "Give!"
  - spiritplumber 6y ago
    Yep. I actually use that in my story: armor and weapons turn out to be essentially useless against Angels, so the agency has to start a martial arts program. There are exceptions, such as Terry Pratchett's meteoric-iron sword (taken to have Captain Carrot's characteristic of "being the least magical sword you could think of"); retrieving it is in itself a subplot. :) You can find the whole thing (stories and RPG worldbooks) here: https://www.deviantart.com/spiritplumber/art/Left-Beyond-Additional-material-842711345 https://www.deviantart.com/spiritplumber/art/Left-Beyond-Add...
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