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The fetishization of Asian women is insane. If you search for "asian" on Reddit, the vast majority of results are porn subreddits.
by porphyra 6y ago
The fetishization of Asian women is insane. If you search for "asian" on Reddit, the vast majority of results are porn subreddits.
- gnicholas 6y agoPerhaps, but Reddit ≠ the internet.
- xenihn 6y agoJust tried this and did not get a single NWS result. Skin care was #2
- porphyra 6y agoMaybe if you enabled "show nsfw content" in your settings. Screenshot for search results of "asian": https://i.redd.it/9jbms02e3mn61.png https://i.redd.it/9jbms02e3mn61.png
- xenihn 6y agoWon't that bias the search towards showing you NSFW content? Since you specifically made it clear that that's what you are interested in.
- keenreed 6y agoAlso try that on pornhub.... Half of reddit is a porn.
- lakecresva 6y agoI think you're misusing the search. If I enable nsfw by adding `nsfw:yes`, both 'asian' and 'european' show ONLY porn results both for content and communities. If I omit the `nsfw:yes`, but allow my profile to view nsfw content, both 'european' and 'asian' don't show any porn in the search results. The search filter is either a binary, or there's just so much porn for everything that it doesn't matter.
- porphyra 6y agoThere was no "nsfw:yes" in the search box. It was literally just "asian". I am using the search feature on the new reddit design on web: https://www.reddit.com/search/?q=asian&type=sr%2Cuser https://www.reddit.com/search/?q=asian&type=sr%2Cuser Other ethnicities, also show up with some porn results, but not nearly as extreme as for "asian". e.g. for "white" and "black" it was about a third of the top 20.
- lakecresva 6y agoI have 'Enable to view adult and NSFW (not safe for work) content in your feed and search results' enabled in my user profile, and this is what I'm seeing when I click that link: https://imgur.com/gm9PZqZ https://imgur.com/gm9PZqZ
- porphyra 6y agoHere's what I see: https://i.imgur.com/VMTdfDk.png https://i.imgur.com/VMTdfDk.png If you just recently enabled the setting in your user profile, probably there is just some caching on reddit's side so it is still serving the old results from before you enabled that.
- Daho0n 6y agoI don't think it's higher up than many other "types" it's just a broader group, like ebony, compared to all the searches that would mostly result in (or believed to result in) white women. Blondes, redheads, brunettes, cowgirls, cheerleaders, etc. all defaults to mostly white women in the results. Besides you are searching a site that is almost a SoMe version of PornHub.
- HarryHirsch 6y agoExactly that. I bet most people looking for "redhead" aren't after makeup or hair care advice.
- ceejayoz 6y ago"White is the default" is still racism, and its existence doesn't make "Asian == porn" any less racist.
- maxrev17 6y ago:s in this context does that make any sense? Specificity of porn query/popularity of query/result?
- maxrev17 6y agoAnd would racism not imply that people would dislike and therefore not search for this term/produce this content?
- Daho0n 6y agoFirst of all I didn't say if it were racist or not. Secondly the default of mostly white women is because most movies/clips are of white women. There's nothing racist in the way the results are distributed. You could argue that there are more white women in porn because of racism but that is another topic. I'd like to hear how you see returning mostly results with white women on a search of "redheads" as racisme though.
- TakuYam 6y agoAt what point does attraction cross the line and become fetishization?
- porphyra 6y agoThe fact that machine learning or statistical methods find that the word "asian" is so highly correlated with porn that it is basically synonymous enough to be blocked is a problem.
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- alpaca128 6y agoThat is a problem, but with the algorithm or its flawed application. I don't think it's too far-fetched to expect one of the largest and richest tech companies worldwide to be able to tell with decent accuracy how the word "asian" was used. The sophistication of their blocking method is basically on par with a basic word filter that doesn't even attempt to avoid the Scunthorpe problem. I mean, we're not talking about reaching 99% accuracy or really advanced linguistic detection. When a company sells smart home voice assistants surely they can be expected to tell "asian food" from more lewd content apart. Keep a list of naughty websites, track what web searches regularly return those as result and then target those specific queries. Or throw some Machine Learning at it, might as well put their enthusiastically marketed AI processing unit to use. Accurate content filtering is hard. But completely blocking anything using one of the most common words in the language just because it frequently links to porn sites? Come on.
- porphyra 6y agoYes, the algorithm is definitely inappropriate and too basic. However let's not overlook that it is a societal problem that a large amount of the US population does not care about Asians at all apart from porn. When there is 100x more searches for "asian hotties" than for "asian history", you can get 99% accuracy just by blacklisting the word "asian".
- pengaru 6y agoIn the earlier days of the internet Russian/mail-order brides seemed far more visible than asian porn/fetishes to me. I wonder when the tides shifted and what was responsible for it. Now if you search "russian" the results are dominated by politics.
- mc32 6y agoAccording to Pornhub[1] their top searches world-wide were: Lesbian Teen (18+) Ebony MILF Anal BigDick Hentai Arab ... [1]https://www.inverse.com/article/26011-pornhub-post-popular-porn-report-2016 https://www.inverse.com/article/26011-pornhub-post-popular-p... Asian was way at the bottom (and was the most pop term in Hawai'i, I guess that's expected). It looks like fetishization is an exaggeration, never the less, even if it were, who cares? People can prefer what they want, so long as it's legal.
- Cenk 6y agoHere’s the same chart for 2019: https://cs.phncdn.com/insights-static/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/1-pornhub-insights-2019-year-review-most-searched-terms.png https://cs.phncdn.com/insights-static/wp-content/uploads/201... 1. Japanese 2. Hentai 3. Lesbian 4. Milf 5. Korean 6. Asian
- mc32 6y agoIf you look at the stats, "Japanese" is driven by Chinese/Central Asian viwership. N-Am and S-Am still prefer lesbians (primarily driven by women viewers, btw). Honestly, JP porn is unwatchable. Squeaky sounds, just quite "unique" as they say. It's the porn you'd watch if you want to quit watching porn.
- PentelicoMarble 6y agoPornhub is blocked in China.
- mc32 6y agoThat’s great, I’m going by what they have on their graphic. Maybe they mean HK + the renegade province. It does not specify.
- PentelicoMarble 6y agoWhich graphic are you referring to?
- reaperducer 6y agoIf you're positing that white westerners are responsible for fetishizing Asian women, then you haven't spent any time in a Japanese convenience store in the last 50 years.
- PentelicoMarble 6y agoSurely you see the difference between Asian men being into Asian women and white men being into Asian women?
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y agoNo? What difference does it make?
- colinfirthisok 6y agoI think the implication is that people are interested in their own race by default and everything outside of that is notable/unusual. Not sure I buy it.
- Larrikin 6y agoNo the implication is people find people similar to the people they interact with regularly attractive by default. This doesn't preclude people from liking other types of people, but it's not common for someone to grow up surrounded by certain types of people and find none of them attractive.
- colinfirthisok 6y agoI don't think that's obviously the case. What _is_ the case is most people dating people who are 1. in close geographical proximity 2. in a similar socioeconomic position, not necessarily because they prefer that, but because that's the most natural way (at least historically) to find someone to date.
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- 88840-8855 6y agoWhat is the problem? I am a white dude and I like Asian women. Nothing wrong there. I do not see it as fetish at all. In fact, it is easier to date Asian girls for me. Hence, the preference formed.
- timeslip1523 6y agoPlus, have you seen the obesity rates for white women? Don't worry, you'll feel them, jurassic park-style. Edit: go on a diet instead of flagging!
- throwaway_porn 6y agoI am asian but I never use that to describe myself. There's always a narrower adjective that doesn't lump culturally distinct groups like chinese/korean/japanese/etc together. Except when I am describing how I look. So I don't see this a bad thing. I basically expect the same results when you search for other descriptor of appearances like blonde or big boobs. There's no other reason for subreddit communities to form around appearances other than look at gifs of them. (though there are exceptions like when you want to form communities specifically to complain about problems caused by said appearances: /r/bigboobproblems /r/ABraThatFits)
- thomastjeffery 6y agoWhat other things do you expect to find from the word Asian? Food? Try Thai, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc. Same goes for anything else I can think of except porn.
- kgc 6y agoI also just tried this and didn't get any NSFW content. Most of it is coverage on hate crimes against East Asians. Maybe there's a filter to disable somewhere.