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> If you want an ultimate root cause you need to turn to theology No, you do not "need" to turn to theology. There are plenty of explanations that do not invol

> If you want an ultimate root cause you need to turn to theology No, you do not "need" to turn to theology. There are plenty of explanations that do not involve invoking myths. > all death is ultimately caused by sin So the pedestrian was secretly a pedophile? That's a pretty strange explanation... I'd say in this case the blame likely rests on city planners, for creating situations in which travelers can collide.

beaconstudios 6y ago
The parent is clearly invoking the "uncaused cause" model of God. Physicalism doesn't have an originating cause except maybe the big bang depending on what you think could have happened before it. So your options in terms of the originating cause are either to turn to religion for a philosophical answer, or to say "I don't know and we may never know".
- viklove 5y ago
  The parent is clearly not invoking "uncaused cause," since the parent literally says: > all death is ultimately caused by sin So unless you're saying the big bang was a sin, your comment does not follow the parent's logic.
  - beaconstudios 5y ago
    That's not quite what the uncaused cause means. The uncaused cause is the answer to the question "if every effect has a cause, then where did the cause-effect chain begin?" - or in simpler terms, "what was the first thing that happened?" Christians would say God, scientists would say the big bang (or something even before that, it's basically unknowable). They're not even mutually exclusive as you could say that the big bang is the means by which God created the universe, or any other origination story you can come up with. The uncaused cause says nothing about later cause-effect pairs, only the originating cause.
    - viklove 5y ago
      > all death is ultimately caused by sin Care to explain this statement to me then? Seems pretty clear to me, but you seem to be interpreting it very differently.
      - beaconstudios 5y ago
        I mean I don't want to put words in somebody else's mouth, but my interpretation as a non-practicing Christian knowing just a bit about Christian theology would be that death originates from humans being cast out of the garden of Eden, which was due to the original sin of eating from the Tree of Knowledge. I think the parent edited their original comment as there was some stuff in there directly referencing God as the original cause before and that seems to be gone now.
scrollbar 6y ago
We can disagree and still be nice to each other.

beaconstudios 6y ago

The parent is clearly invoking the "uncaused cause" model of God. Physicalism doesn't have an originating cause except maybe the big bang depending on what you think could have happened before it. So your options in terms of the originating cause are either to turn to religion for a philosophical answer, or to say "I don't know and we may never know".

viklove 5y ago
The parent is clearly not invoking "uncaused cause," since the parent literally says: > all death is ultimately caused by sin So unless you're saying the big bang was a sin, your comment does not follow the parent's logic.
- beaconstudios 5y ago
  That's not quite what the uncaused cause means. The uncaused cause is the answer to the question "if every effect has a cause, then where did the cause-effect chain begin?" - or in simpler terms, "what was the first thing that happened?" Christians would say God, scientists would say the big bang (or something even before that, it's basically unknowable). They're not even mutually exclusive as you could say that the big bang is the means by which God created the universe, or any other origination story you can come up with. The uncaused cause says nothing about later cause-effect pairs, only the originating cause.
  - viklove 5y ago
    > all death is ultimately caused by sin Care to explain this statement to me then? Seems pretty clear to me, but you seem to be interpreting it very differently.
    - beaconstudios 5y ago
      I mean I don't want to put words in somebody else's mouth, but my interpretation as a non-practicing Christian knowing just a bit about Christian theology would be that death originates from humans being cast out of the garden of Eden, which was due to the original sin of eating from the Tree of Knowledge. I think the parent edited their original comment as there was some stuff in there directly referencing God as the original cause before and that seems to be gone now.

scrollbar 6y ago

We can disagree and still be nice to each other.