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The price has been "spiraling out of control" for the past 30 years, at the same rate almost the entire time. Saying that it's the ACA's fault is to lie by omis

The price has been "spiraling out of control" for the past 30 years, at the same rate almost the entire time. Saying that it's the ACA's fault is to lie by omission, because you're blaming the past 10 years on something that's been a trend for 20 years before that. The fact that you now have to buy insurance is a separate issue from whether the costs have been spiraling out of control, because even if the prices had remained flat since 2009 your personal experience would be that you're spending more than you used to. That's not "cost". If I walk to work, then start driving a car, and then replace that for a truck, I don't say that "gas costs are spiraling out of control." You're conflating two things and think you made a slam dunk case. You didn't. It's embarrassing.

solosoyokaze 6y ago
There's a huge difference between $100->$200 and $500->$1,000. People's earnings make it that there's a threshold that gets crossed where insurance becomes unaffordable. It's debatable if that happened before or after the ACA but the raw amount changed post-ACA is much larger than prior periods. People aren't measuring this by rate of change, their measuring it with their bank account. > If I walk to work, then start driving a car, and then replace that for a truck, I don't say that "gas costs are spiraling out of control." You're conflating two things and think you made a slam dunk case. You didn't. It's embarrassing. The correct analogy is that you live a block from work so you walk. Then one day the government introduces legislation that makes driving a car mandatory, so you have to buy one to drive the block to work. Your commute costs are definitely spiraling out of control at that point. > You're conflating two things and think you made a slam dunk case. You didn't. It's embarrassing. If you have a point to make, make it. You don't need to attack me as well.
- Edman274 6y ago
  You said that "health care costs are spiraling out of control". Your justification for that is that you spend more money on health insurance than you used to back when you used to spend nothing because you got nothing. Making a blanket statement of "healthcare costs" and "out of control" needs to come with the following caveats: 1. They're spiraling out of control for you - 2. Because you used to pay nothing 3. Because you used to get nothing 4. Because you didn't worry about it. Say all that. The price, for the average consumer, that buys health insurance has been rising for decades. It has not slowed down because of the ACA but it hasn't sped up because of the ACA. You're making a blanket statement based on your atypical experience of not having health insurance and then making it seem like it affects everyone.

solosoyokaze 6y ago

There's a huge difference between $100->$200 and $500->$1,000. People's earnings make it that there's a threshold that gets crossed where insurance becomes unaffordable. It's debatable if that happened before or after the ACA but the raw amount changed post-ACA is much larger than prior periods. People aren't measuring this by rate of change, their measuring it with their bank account. > If I walk to work, then start driving a car, and then replace that for a truck, I don't say that "gas costs are spiraling out of control." You're conflating two things and think you made a slam dunk case. You didn't. It's embarrassing. The correct analogy is that you live a block from work so you walk. Then one day the government introduces legislation that makes driving a car mandatory, so you have to buy one to drive the block to work. Your commute costs are definitely spiraling out of control at that point. > You're conflating two things and think you made a slam dunk case. You didn't. It's embarrassing. If you have a point to make, make it. You don't need to attack me as well.

Edman274 6y ago
You said that "health care costs are spiraling out of control". Your justification for that is that you spend more money on health insurance than you used to back when you used to spend nothing because you got nothing. Making a blanket statement of "healthcare costs" and "out of control" needs to come with the following caveats: 1. They're spiraling out of control for you - 2. Because you used to pay nothing 3. Because you used to get nothing 4. Because you didn't worry about it. Say all that. The price, for the average consumer, that buys health insurance has been rising for decades. It has not slowed down because of the ACA but it hasn't sped up because of the ACA. You're making a blanket statement based on your atypical experience of not having health insurance and then making it seem like it affects everyone.