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Why would preventing alcoholism be bad for average iq?

jonsen 6y ago
Could mean users are mostly low IQ and will die early.
AdrianB1 6y ago
Brain needs challenges and stimulation to develop; when people are taken care of, average IQ of society decreased over time. If you check the numbers there are several metrics where we regressed in the past hundreds of years, including reaction time, testosterones production, fertility etc. Good times create mediocre people and the times were better and better in the past centuries, while people got more and more mediocre.
- byproxy 6y ago
  What’s wrong with being mediocre?
  - throwaway98797 6y ago
    we must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!
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  - Rule35 6y ago
    Not mediocre compared to some hyper-competitive person, but mediocre compared to your potential. It seems pretty obvious that fully self-actualized people are happier. They get more of what they want, and feel fulfilled for doing so.
    - curryst 6y ago
      Your potential is an utterly subjective objective. I'm not arguing for or against, but feeling "fully self-actualized" is equally accomplished by achieving your goals or lowering your goals until they're easily achievable. It's more a function of self-esteem than it is any kind of objective challenge. Those with healthy self-esteem feel self-actualized, those with poor self-esteem will feel as though they're never at their best.
      - Rule35 6y ago
        > Your potential is an utterly subjective objective Good one. > but feeling "fully self-actualized" is equally accomplished by achieving your goals or lowering your goals until they're easily achievable. It's more correlated with finishing what you set out to do. But there's definitely a useful component of comparing yourself with others - if your bar is too low you'll know it even if you don't have the courage to raise it. > Those with healthy self-esteem feel self-actualized, those with poor self-esteem will feel as though they're never at their best. Why with the worst way to interpret this? Those who feel accomplished build self-esteem. Yes, it is circular, but it needs to start with something real. You can't just wait to feel good without doing anything to cause it.
- astrange 6y ago
  Alcohol is purely bad for you, there's not much hormesis effect aside from the social ones - studies finding things like red wine is good for you have reverse causation issues. If you want to challenge people then give them useful challenges. Just randomly poisoning everyone is not useful. The testosterone effect is not true (it went down in Finland and then went back up), and might've been positive (getting married causes both low testosterone and more children). Less children is due to being less religious. Remember, eugenics isn't real!
- 8fGTBjZxBcHq 6y ago
  > Good times create mediocre people This is not even remotely true I don't know what you're basing this on.

Could mean users are mostly low IQ and will die early.

Brain needs challenges and stimulation to develop; when people are taken care of, average IQ of society decreased over time. If you check the numbers there are several metrics where we regressed in the past hundreds of years, including reaction time, testosterones production, fertility etc. Good times create mediocre people and the times were better and better in the past centuries, while people got more and more mediocre.

byproxy 6y ago
What’s wrong with being mediocre?
- throwaway98797 6y ago
  we must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- Rule35 6y ago
  Not mediocre compared to some hyper-competitive person, but mediocre compared to your potential. It seems pretty obvious that fully self-actualized people are happier. They get more of what they want, and feel fulfilled for doing so.
  - curryst 6y ago
    Your potential is an utterly subjective objective. I'm not arguing for or against, but feeling "fully self-actualized" is equally accomplished by achieving your goals or lowering your goals until they're easily achievable. It's more a function of self-esteem than it is any kind of objective challenge. Those with healthy self-esteem feel self-actualized, those with poor self-esteem will feel as though they're never at their best.
    - Rule35 6y ago
      > Your potential is an utterly subjective objective Good one. > but feeling "fully self-actualized" is equally accomplished by achieving your goals or lowering your goals until they're easily achievable. It's more correlated with finishing what you set out to do. But there's definitely a useful component of comparing yourself with others - if your bar is too low you'll know it even if you don't have the courage to raise it. > Those with healthy self-esteem feel self-actualized, those with poor self-esteem will feel as though they're never at their best. Why with the worst way to interpret this? Those who feel accomplished build self-esteem. Yes, it is circular, but it needs to start with something real. You can't just wait to feel good without doing anything to cause it.
astrange 6y ago
Alcohol is purely bad for you, there's not much hormesis effect aside from the social ones - studies finding things like red wine is good for you have reverse causation issues. If you want to challenge people then give them useful challenges. Just randomly poisoning everyone is not useful. The testosterone effect is not true (it went down in Finland and then went back up), and might've been positive (getting married causes both low testosterone and more children). Less children is due to being less religious. Remember, eugenics isn't real!
8fGTBjZxBcHq 6y ago
> Good times create mediocre people This is not even remotely true I don't know what you're basing this on.