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You highlighted two important points. >most employees would prefer to be paid without working anywhere full stop. This is true but we should ask why? > If th

by mempko 6y ago

You highlighted two important points. >most employees would prefer to be paid without working anywhere full stop. This is true but we should ask why? > If there is a disagreement, the employees opinion isn't really the guiding star. This second point is deeply related to the first. If employees actually owned part of the business like the owners, or to put it another way, there is no employee/employer separation, then it's clear they would want to work since they A) own part of the business and B) have say over the business. There is the concept of Democracy at Work by Richard Wolf as a solution to the two problems you mentioned. As an aside, as someone who owns part of a business, I can say that I also prefer work-from-home.

leetrout 6y ago
How much of the business do you need to own? A tenth of a percent isn’t much motivation. Sounds like we’d need even splits?
- k3liutZu 6y ago
  > A tenth of a percent isn’t much motivation. Depends on the size of the company.
thaumasiotes 6y ago
>> most employees would prefer to be paid without working anywhere full stop. > This is true but we should ask why? Huh? The entire concept of working is that you do something you don't want to do in order to get something you do want to have. It makes no sense to ask "why would you prefer to get the good things without having to do the bad things?"
luckylion 6y ago
> If employees actually owned part of the business like the owners, or to put it another way, there is no employee/employer separation, then it's clear they would want to work since they A) own part of the business and B) have say over the business. Just label the employee "contractor" and the employer "client", and you end up with the exact same picture: the contractor would like to be paid by the client without doing any work. The client would like to pay nothing while having all the work done. They meet in the middle somewhere. For subsistence farmers, that might look differently, but mostly it's just an internalized split between wanting the fruits and not wanting the labor.

by mempko 6y ago

leetrout 6y ago

How much of the business do you need to own? A tenth of a percent isn’t much motivation. Sounds like we’d need even splits?

k3liutZu 6y ago
> A tenth of a percent isn’t much motivation. Depends on the size of the company.

thaumasiotes 6y ago

>> most employees would prefer to be paid without working anywhere full stop. > This is true but we should ask why? Huh? The entire concept of working is that you do something you don't want to do in order to get something you do want to have. It makes no sense to ask "why would you prefer to get the good things without having to do the bad things?"

luckylion 6y ago

> If employees actually owned part of the business like the owners, or to put it another way, there is no employee/employer separation, then it's clear they would want to work since they A) own part of the business and B) have say over the business. Just label the employee "contractor" and the employer "client", and you end up with the exact same picture: the contractor would like to be paid by the client without doing any work. The client would like to pay nothing while having all the work done. They meet in the middle somewhere. For subsistence farmers, that might look differently, but mostly it's just an internalized split between wanting the fruits and not wanting the labor.