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I think 'Trust the soyence bro' and labeling anything negative about vaccines a conspiracy theory is probably what convinces people on the fence to become anti

I think 'Trust the soyence bro' and labeling anything negative about vaccines a conspiracy theory is probably what convinces people on the fence to become anti vaxxers.

alien_ 6y ago
How else would you describe it, would "spreading FUD" be more appropriate/neutral? By debunking I don't mean labeling them negatively but fact-checking the claims and showing reasonable people on the fence provable evidence to help them think for themselves based on facts and not just to blindly believe the sensationalist rumors.
c7DJTLrn 6y ago
And although it's not relevant, the whole vaccine passport thing is turning me against it. I don't see why everybody should be required to have something injected into their body to live their lives as normal, especially given that not everybody needs to have it for the virus to fizzle out. This strong-arming should be enough to make anyone suspicious.
- kolinko 6y ago
  It’s like saying „the society won’t collapse if some people don’t pay taxes - so why do we force people to pay them”.
  - c7DJTLrn 6y ago
    That's not comparable at all. Taxes are payments that a citizen is morally and legally obliged to pay the state for upkeep and services. Not paying taxes is essentially stealing from others. There is no moral or legal obligation to have a vaccine. Choosing to not have a vaccine is not stealing from anyone else. It does not reduce the effectiveness of their vaccination. In fact, a large chunk of people could choose not to be vaccinated and we will still crush COVID-19. They should have the choice - why should everyone be strong-armed into having it if it's not necessary and they're not comfortable with it?
  - sharken 6y ago
    It's not the same thing. But I do wonder how the vaccine requirement will play out, Texas for instance does not force the vaccine upon it's population, which i think is the right way to go about it. The Malaria vaccine was one i skipped due to side effects and i think you should have a similar free choice for the Corona vaccine.
- evgen 6y ago
  You should have the right to refuse a vaccine and the rest of us should have the right to not associate with people who have decided to put the rest of us at risk. If only we had some way to easily let people know to which group you belong...
  - c7DJTLrn 6y ago
    How is refusing a vaccine putting anyone else at risk if the people around them are vaccinated? The popular vaccines are highly efficacious and enough to make herd immunity kick in. I don't know how I can make you see that it is precisely this kind of talk that's scaring regular people into being anti-vax.
    - sharken 6y ago
      Agree to disagree in this case, there is a rather large group that believes in forcing people into taking the vaccine is ok.
    - evgen 6y ago
      This is a classic free rider situation where the cost for the rest of us is a continuation of a deadly and costly pandemic. That is the wonderful thing about vaccine passports, you can be as anti-vax as you want and the rest of us can shun you without concern. Sounds like win-win unless you think you should have some right to free ride the risks the rest of us are accepting...
  - throwaway3699 6y ago
    It's not as clear cut as that. Vaccines are not foolproof, and there have been complications in the past. As another commenter points out, people would rather their death by an accidental than as a result of deliberate action.
    - midasuni 6y ago
      Case in point, more people died from car accidents in the US in September 2001 than from terrorism.
- helij 6y ago
  No one is strong arming me. I received all vaccines that were available in my youth and my child received all as well. I am booked for vaccination next week here in the UK and I don't care which one I get. It'll probably be AZ. There are concerns of course but this is the same with any other medication/vaccine taken. You never know how your body will respond. Vaccine 'passports' are nothing new. We kind of all have them already. If you travel to some parts of Africa you already need a proof of vaccination (yellow fever). How is Covid-19 any different? It's here now, there's little we can do apart from all of us getting vaccinated and slowly getting back to normal lives. I just wish the whole world would get vaccinated at the same time.

I think 'Trust the soyence bro' and labeling anything negative about vaccines a conspiracy theory is probably what convinces people on the fence to become anti vaxxers.

alien_ 6y ago

How else would you describe it, would "spreading FUD" be more appropriate/neutral? By debunking I don't mean labeling them negatively but fact-checking the claims and showing reasonable people on the fence provable evidence to help them think for themselves based on facts and not just to blindly believe the sensationalist rumors.

c7DJTLrn 6y ago

And although it's not relevant, the whole vaccine passport thing is turning me against it. I don't see why everybody should be required to have something injected into their body to live their lives as normal, especially given that not everybody needs to have it for the virus to fizzle out. This strong-arming should be enough to make anyone suspicious.

kolinko 6y ago
It’s like saying „the society won’t collapse if some people don’t pay taxes - so why do we force people to pay them”.
- c7DJTLrn 6y ago
  That's not comparable at all. Taxes are payments that a citizen is morally and legally obliged to pay the state for upkeep and services. Not paying taxes is essentially stealing from others. There is no moral or legal obligation to have a vaccine. Choosing to not have a vaccine is not stealing from anyone else. It does not reduce the effectiveness of their vaccination. In fact, a large chunk of people could choose not to be vaccinated and we will still crush COVID-19. They should have the choice - why should everyone be strong-armed into having it if it's not necessary and they're not comfortable with it?
- sharken 6y ago
  It's not the same thing. But I do wonder how the vaccine requirement will play out, Texas for instance does not force the vaccine upon it's population, which i think is the right way to go about it. The Malaria vaccine was one i skipped due to side effects and i think you should have a similar free choice for the Corona vaccine.
evgen 6y ago
You should have the right to refuse a vaccine and the rest of us should have the right to not associate with people who have decided to put the rest of us at risk. If only we had some way to easily let people know to which group you belong...
- c7DJTLrn 6y ago
  How is refusing a vaccine putting anyone else at risk if the people around them are vaccinated? The popular vaccines are highly efficacious and enough to make herd immunity kick in. I don't know how I can make you see that it is precisely this kind of talk that's scaring regular people into being anti-vax.
  - sharken 6y ago
    Agree to disagree in this case, there is a rather large group that believes in forcing people into taking the vaccine is ok.
  - evgen 6y ago
    This is a classic free rider situation where the cost for the rest of us is a continuation of a deadly and costly pandemic. That is the wonderful thing about vaccine passports, you can be as anti-vax as you want and the rest of us can shun you without concern. Sounds like win-win unless you think you should have some right to free ride the risks the rest of us are accepting...
- throwaway3699 6y ago
  It's not as clear cut as that. Vaccines are not foolproof, and there have been complications in the past. As another commenter points out, people would rather their death by an accidental than as a result of deliberate action.
  - midasuni 6y ago
    Case in point, more people died from car accidents in the US in September 2001 than from terrorism.
helij 6y ago
No one is strong arming me. I received all vaccines that were available in my youth and my child received all as well. I am booked for vaccination next week here in the UK and I don't care which one I get. It'll probably be AZ. There are concerns of course but this is the same with any other medication/vaccine taken. You never know how your body will respond. Vaccine 'passports' are nothing new. We kind of all have them already. If you travel to some parts of Africa you already need a proof of vaccination (yellow fever). How is Covid-19 any different? It's here now, there's little we can do apart from all of us getting vaccinated and slowly getting back to normal lives. I just wish the whole world would get vaccinated at the same time.