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There are lots of conspiracy theories spreading FUD especially about the AZ vaccine and such news don't help. How many deaths were caused by the AZ and other v

by alien_ 6y ago

There are lots of conspiracy theories spreading FUD especially about the AZ vaccine and such news don't help. How many deaths were caused by the AZ and other vaccines so far and how does that compare with the mortality rate of the disease? Is there any website that is gathering and debunking these conspiracy theories?

encryptluks2 6y ago
Well if you die from the vaccine, wouldn't that be another death attributed to coronavirus?
- xref 6y ago
  There’s no coronavirus genetic material in any of the vaccines, so no
tootahe45 6y ago
I think 'Trust the soyence bro' and labeling anything negative about vaccines a conspiracy theory is probably what convinces people on the fence to become anti vaxxers.
- alien_ 6y ago
  How else would you describe it, would "spreading FUD" be more appropriate/neutral? By debunking I don't mean labeling them negatively but fact-checking the claims and showing reasonable people on the fence provable evidence to help them think for themselves based on facts and not just to blindly believe the sensationalist rumors.
- c7DJTLrn 6y ago
  And although it's not relevant, the whole vaccine passport thing is turning me against it. I don't see why everybody should be required to have something injected into their body to live their lives as normal, especially given that not everybody needs to have it for the virus to fizzle out. This strong-arming should be enough to make anyone suspicious.
  - kolinko 6y ago
    It’s like saying „the society won’t collapse if some people don’t pay taxes - so why do we force people to pay them”.
    - c7DJTLrn 6y ago
      That's not comparable at all. Taxes are payments that a citizen is morally and legally obliged to pay the state for upkeep and services. Not paying taxes is essentially stealing from others. There is no moral or legal obligation to have a vaccine. Choosing to not have a vaccine is not stealing from anyone else. It does not reduce the effectiveness of their vaccination. In fact, a large chunk of people could choose not to be vaccinated and we will still crush COVID-19. They should have the choice - why should everyone be strong-armed into having it if it's not necessary and they're not comfortable with it?
    - sharken 6y ago
      It's not the same thing. But I do wonder how the vaccine requirement will play out, Texas for instance does not force the vaccine upon it's population, which i think is the right way to go about it. The Malaria vaccine was one i skipped due to side effects and i think you should have a similar free choice for the Corona vaccine.
  - evgen 6y ago
    You should have the right to refuse a vaccine and the rest of us should have the right to not associate with people who have decided to put the rest of us at risk. If only we had some way to easily let people know to which group you belong...
    - c7DJTLrn 6y ago
      How is refusing a vaccine putting anyone else at risk if the people around them are vaccinated? The popular vaccines are highly efficacious and enough to make herd immunity kick in. I don't know how I can make you see that it is precisely this kind of talk that's scaring regular people into being anti-vax.
alien_ 6y ago
Can someone please explain the downvotes? I'm trying to understand what was offensive about this.
- fauigerzigerk 6y ago
  You're playing straight into the hands of real conspiracy theorists with this kind of reaction. This is just reporting on very basic facts coming directly from the UK government: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid...
  - alien_ 6y ago
    Sorry, didn't mean to but as I've said above in the thread just the other day I've seen on Facebook a pretty elaborate FUD/conspiracy theory being endorsed by a former religiously active colleague. It was linking AZ trial side effects with apocalyptic prophecies and DoD involvement in designing a virus targeting middle eastern religious fundamentalists. My point was that there should be a way to debunk these with fact-based evidence for people willing to reason from facts or at least to raise a few question marks on their assumptions.
- xtracto 6y ago
  >Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.

by alien_ 6y ago

encryptluks2 6y ago

Well if you die from the vaccine, wouldn't that be another death attributed to coronavirus?

xref 6y ago
There’s no coronavirus genetic material in any of the vaccines, so no

tootahe45 6y ago

I think 'Trust the soyence bro' and labeling anything negative about vaccines a conspiracy theory is probably what convinces people on the fence to become anti vaxxers.

alien_ 6y ago
How else would you describe it, would "spreading FUD" be more appropriate/neutral? By debunking I don't mean labeling them negatively but fact-checking the claims and showing reasonable people on the fence provable evidence to help them think for themselves based on facts and not just to blindly believe the sensationalist rumors.
c7DJTLrn 6y ago
And although it's not relevant, the whole vaccine passport thing is turning me against it. I don't see why everybody should be required to have something injected into their body to live their lives as normal, especially given that not everybody needs to have it for the virus to fizzle out. This strong-arming should be enough to make anyone suspicious.
- kolinko 6y ago
  It’s like saying „the society won’t collapse if some people don’t pay taxes - so why do we force people to pay them”.
  - c7DJTLrn 6y ago
    That's not comparable at all. Taxes are payments that a citizen is morally and legally obliged to pay the state for upkeep and services. Not paying taxes is essentially stealing from others. There is no moral or legal obligation to have a vaccine. Choosing to not have a vaccine is not stealing from anyone else. It does not reduce the effectiveness of their vaccination. In fact, a large chunk of people could choose not to be vaccinated and we will still crush COVID-19. They should have the choice - why should everyone be strong-armed into having it if it's not necessary and they're not comfortable with it?
  - sharken 6y ago
    It's not the same thing. But I do wonder how the vaccine requirement will play out, Texas for instance does not force the vaccine upon it's population, which i think is the right way to go about it. The Malaria vaccine was one i skipped due to side effects and i think you should have a similar free choice for the Corona vaccine.
- evgen 6y ago
  You should have the right to refuse a vaccine and the rest of us should have the right to not associate with people who have decided to put the rest of us at risk. If only we had some way to easily let people know to which group you belong...
  - c7DJTLrn 6y ago
    How is refusing a vaccine putting anyone else at risk if the people around them are vaccinated? The popular vaccines are highly efficacious and enough to make herd immunity kick in. I don't know how I can make you see that it is precisely this kind of talk that's scaring regular people into being anti-vax.

alien_ 6y ago

Can someone please explain the downvotes? I'm trying to understand what was offensive about this.

fauigerzigerk 6y ago
You're playing straight into the hands of real conspiracy theorists with this kind of reaction. This is just reporting on very basic facts coming directly from the UK government: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid...
- alien_ 6y ago
  Sorry, didn't mean to but as I've said above in the thread just the other day I've seen on Facebook a pretty elaborate FUD/conspiracy theory being endorsed by a former religiously active colleague. It was linking AZ trial side effects with apocalyptic prophecies and DoD involvement in designing a virus targeting middle eastern religious fundamentalists. My point was that there should be a way to debunk these with fact-based evidence for people willing to reason from facts or at least to raise a few question marks on their assumptions.
xtracto 6y ago
>Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading.