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Obligatory https://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish

by jakear 6y ago

monocasa 6y ago
When you're already destroying enough of the legacy timekeeping systems by switching to a planet without a 24 hour day, most of those arguments lack muster. Also, don't call people out of the blue and expect them to pick up anyway. Maybe your uncle had to work late and is sleeping even though the sun is technically out.
- Fern_Blossom 6y ago
  Because time is a social construct and humans have no business having any form of social norms or social rules. It's not like humans are social creatures. Abolish all the social constructs! I know, it's the weirdest thing calling folks. People pretending like calling others with a phone is the purpose of them. Jeez, the audacity. Not following social rules of using a phone. People need to construct some socially agreed concepts to help cooperate with each other.
  - junon 6y ago
    This is a real jump to conclusions and a bad take on the original argument.
    - Fern_Blossom 6y ago
      No, humans coordinate. The idea of dropping a tool of coordination because you think it's about the numbers and not the utility is a terrible argument. Yes Mars will not have a 24 hour day. That doesn't have a single thing to do with, "legacy timekeeping". Timekeeping was not built on the idea of a "24 hour day". Timekeeping is built on coordinating humans to accomplish things whether recreational or utilitarian. Right now, our best system is based on the arbitrary divisions of an Earth day cycle. The base features of seconds, minutes and hours work. The day length, which is only about 37 extra minutes, doesn't require a brand new system. Hell, an Earth day isn't a perfect 24 hours either. Drastically altering the system just because you're terrible at showing up on time for meetings is pretty dumb. Since Mars is going to be in tight communications with Earth, especially coordinating resources, why have drastically conflicting systems? People bitch enough if you only give imperial or metric measurements online, "Where's my favored unit of measurement? I can't convert it on my own!" You really think different methods of time keeping are going to work out well? So no, my take on the argument was appropriate. Their stance was an absurd concept based in teenage destroy-the-system angst rather than taking reality as it is. If there's a truly better way of making sure two parties show up at the same "when", then let's hear it.
- jakear 6y ago
  Sure, but how do you list shop hours? How do you get a sense of what time of day your itinerary’s events will take place at, given they’re in a location far far away?

Obligatory https://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish

by jakear 6y ago

Obligatory https://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish

When you're already destroying enough of the legacy timekeeping systems by switching to a planet without a 24 hour day, most of those arguments lack muster. Also, don't call people out of the blue and expect them to pick up anyway. Maybe your uncle had to work late and is sleeping even though the sun is technically out.

Fern_Blossom 6y ago
Because time is a social construct and humans have no business having any form of social norms or social rules. It's not like humans are social creatures. Abolish all the social constructs! I know, it's the weirdest thing calling folks. People pretending like calling others with a phone is the purpose of them. Jeez, the audacity. Not following social rules of using a phone. People need to construct some socially agreed concepts to help cooperate with each other.
- junon 6y ago
  This is a real jump to conclusions and a bad take on the original argument.
  - Fern_Blossom 6y ago
    No, humans coordinate. The idea of dropping a tool of coordination because you think it's about the numbers and not the utility is a terrible argument. Yes Mars will not have a 24 hour day. That doesn't have a single thing to do with, "legacy timekeeping". Timekeeping was not built on the idea of a "24 hour day". Timekeeping is built on coordinating humans to accomplish things whether recreational or utilitarian. Right now, our best system is based on the arbitrary divisions of an Earth day cycle. The base features of seconds, minutes and hours work. The day length, which is only about 37 extra minutes, doesn't require a brand new system. Hell, an Earth day isn't a perfect 24 hours either. Drastically altering the system just because you're terrible at showing up on time for meetings is pretty dumb. Since Mars is going to be in tight communications with Earth, especially coordinating resources, why have drastically conflicting systems? People bitch enough if you only give imperial or metric measurements online, "Where's my favored unit of measurement? I can't convert it on my own!" You really think different methods of time keeping are going to work out well? So no, my take on the argument was appropriate. Their stance was an absurd concept based in teenage destroy-the-system angst rather than taking reality as it is. If there's a truly better way of making sure two parties show up at the same "when", then let's hear it.
jakear 6y ago
Sure, but how do you list shop hours? How do you get a sense of what time of day your itinerary’s events will take place at, given they’re in a location far far away?