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Same here, this is so far the best one yet. Far better than VW's shitty attempt. Though, it dawned on me, Mars could have real time zones. Not the stupid polit

Same here, this is so far the best one yet. Far better than VW's shitty attempt. Though, it dawned on me, Mars could have real time zones. Not the stupid political mess we have today. Perfect, logical longitudinal time zones from the get go. That right there is more than enough reason for me to leave this planet. But let's be honest, Mars will be colonized, politics will arise and the same fuckery will happen eventually.

elygre 6y ago
If they are zones, how can they be perfect? The middle might be, but anywhere else will be imperfect.
- yellowapple 6y ago
  You're right. We need to constantly adjust our clocks depending on exact longitude.
  - midasuni 6y ago
    And velocity. And altitude.
monocasa 6y ago
Better yet, no time zones. Just one clock for the planet.
- jakear 6y ago
  Obligatory https://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish
  - monocasa 6y ago
    When you're already destroying enough of the legacy timekeeping systems by switching to a planet without a 24 hour day, most of those arguments lack muster. Also, don't call people out of the blue and expect them to pick up anyway. Maybe your uncle had to work late and is sleeping even though the sun is technically out.
    - Fern_Blossom 6y ago
      Because time is a social construct and humans have no business having any form of social norms or social rules. It's not like humans are social creatures. Abolish all the social constructs! I know, it's the weirdest thing calling folks. People pretending like calling others with a phone is the purpose of them. Jeez, the audacity. Not following social rules of using a phone. People need to construct some socially agreed concepts to help cooperate with each other.
      - junon 6y ago
        This is a real jump to conclusions and a bad take on the original argument.
        Fern_Blossom 6y ago
        No, humans coordinate. The idea of dropping a tool of coordination because you think it's about the numbers and not the utility is a terrible argument. Yes Mars will not have a 24 hour day. That doesn't have a single thing to do with, "legacy timekeeping". Timekeeping was not built on the idea of a "24 hour day". Timekeeping is built on coordinating humans to accomplish things whether recreational or utilitarian. Right now, our best system is based on the arbitrary divisions of an Earth day cycle. The base features of seconds, minutes and hours work. The day length, which is only about 37 extra minutes, doesn't require a brand new system. Hell, an Earth day isn't a perfect 24 hours either. Drastically altering the system just because you're terrible at showing up on time for meetings is pretty dumb. Since Mars is going to be in tight communications with Earth, especially coordinating resources, why have drastically conflicting systems? People bitch enough if you only give imperial or metric measurements online, "Where's my favored unit of measurement? I can't convert it on my own!" You really think different methods of time keeping are going to work out well? So no, my take on the argument was appropriate. Their stance was an absurd concept based in teenage destroy-the-system angst rather than taking reality as it is. If there's a truly better way of making sure two parties show up at the same "when", then let's hear it.
    - jakear 6y ago
yellowapple 6y ago
> Far better than VW's shitty attempt. Am I the only one that liked it?

elygre 6y ago

If they are zones, how can they be perfect? The middle might be, but anywhere else will be imperfect.

yellowapple 6y ago
You're right. We need to constantly adjust our clocks depending on exact longitude.
- midasuni 6y ago
  And velocity. And altitude.

monocasa 6y ago

Better yet, no time zones. Just one clock for the planet.

jakear 6y ago
Obligatory https://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish
- monocasa 6y ago
  When you're already destroying enough of the legacy timekeeping systems by switching to a planet without a 24 hour day, most of those arguments lack muster. Also, don't call people out of the blue and expect them to pick up anyway. Maybe your uncle had to work late and is sleeping even though the sun is technically out.
  - Fern_Blossom 6y ago
    Because time is a social construct and humans have no business having any form of social norms or social rules. It's not like humans are social creatures. Abolish all the social constructs! I know, it's the weirdest thing calling folks. People pretending like calling others with a phone is the purpose of them. Jeez, the audacity. Not following social rules of using a phone. People need to construct some socially agreed concepts to help cooperate with each other.
    - junon 6y ago
      This is a real jump to conclusions and a bad take on the original argument.
      - Fern_Blossom 6y ago
        No, humans coordinate. The idea of dropping a tool of coordination because you think it's about the numbers and not the utility is a terrible argument. Yes Mars will not have a 24 hour day. That doesn't have a single thing to do with, "legacy timekeeping". Timekeeping was not built on the idea of a "24 hour day". Timekeeping is built on coordinating humans to accomplish things whether recreational or utilitarian. Right now, our best system is based on the arbitrary divisions of an Earth day cycle. The base features of seconds, minutes and hours work. The day length, which is only about 37 extra minutes, doesn't require a brand new system. Hell, an Earth day isn't a perfect 24 hours either. Drastically altering the system just because you're terrible at showing up on time for meetings is pretty dumb. Since Mars is going to be in tight communications with Earth, especially coordinating resources, why have drastically conflicting systems? People bitch enough if you only give imperial or metric measurements online, "Where's my favored unit of measurement? I can't convert it on my own!" You really think different methods of time keeping are going to work out well? So no, my take on the argument was appropriate. Their stance was an absurd concept based in teenage destroy-the-system angst rather than taking reality as it is. If there's a truly better way of making sure two parties show up at the same "when", then let's hear it.
  - jakear 6y ago

yellowapple 6y ago

> Far better than VW's shitty attempt. Am I the only one that liked it?