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Plenty of countries have paired lockdowns with rent&mortgage freezes, furlough, assistance for the needy in general, etc. Both problems have solutions.

by lucian1900 6y ago

TaylorSwift 6y ago
A lot of my peers are in a certain age that should be dating. But it's been 1 year now, and there are paranoia and concerns about safety. It's really tiring. Missing out on 2 years of developing a healthy social relationship with other people -- it really is a lost of time in a prime age.
- lucian1900 6y ago
  Certainly years of this are not sustainable. That’s why the approach taken by a few countries to eliminate local transmission are preferable (China, Vietnam, New Zealand, South Korea).
- saiya-jin 6y ago
  I can't honestly imagine how bad indirect negative impact of all related to covid will be, I would say at least on scale of direct deaths / long time sufferers (although those things are obviously not directly comparable). And yet despite all these costs, most of the world failed desperately and repeatedly in handling it and the show is far from over. Meeting the other sex is a topic on its own - all normal venues often just disappeared, especially here in Europe. No bars, no restaurants, concerts, schools, group sports, and most importantly not that much work in the office, arguably the most common place for folks to meet their significant other. I am just a remote observer of this, we were lucky to get married in summer 2019 - one year later the marriage would be with 6 guests max if it would happen at all. But still can't wrap my head around all this no matter which angle I try to look it form. Me, my wife and my son been through covid in February, my parents back home are going through it now and I really do have respect from this unpredictable sickness. But as damage mounts in each one of us and there is always this fleeting political promise that in next 2 months it will be much better, I am getting tired of largely inefficient yet very restrictive constraints and starting to lean more towards 'fuck it, keep basic measures mandatory everywhere and lets go back to behavior as it was before covid'. It may be just a stupid kneejerk reaction, but over 1 year wears one out
  - rubicon33 6y ago
    > one year later the marriage would be with 6 guests max if it would happen at all. I've seen many weddings in 2020 that were totally unrestrained, 100+ gatherings with the justification being "outdoors". No masks worn, nothing. I can't stand that there are people who would do that. If I may ask - given how cautious you sound - how did you get covid?
- rubicon33 6y ago
  The most tiring thing isn't missing out on life, it's seeing all the people who are vagrantly choosing to ignore safety precautions and continue on with THEIR life while others are distancing, staying at home, avoiding people, etc. By far the worst part about this has been the feeling that I have wasted a year, while others chose not to. My mistake I guess, but for everyone who chose to ignore the rules, many spread the virus.
  - tastyfreeze 6y ago
    The other day my daughter asked why I listen to tsunami alerts and head uphill when the the waves arent much bigger that a normal wave by the time they get to us (inside island). I told her that I'm not going to be the dummy that gets killed by not heeding warnings. I think the same applies here. You do you and dont worry about all the folks taking risks to go out. Statistically, some of them are responsible for someone's death from COVID or died from COVID. I would rather not be part of that statistic just because I felt like I missed out.
makomk 6y ago
Every country has had plenty of people who fall through the holes in whatever assistance programs they have in place, and the US media has downplayed their downsides compared to what the US did. For example, there's been a tendency in the American press to push the UK's furlough program as better than the US approach because it kept more people off unemployment, but as far as I could tell the US enhanced unemployment was substantially better for the worst-off amongst you than UK furlough, and those who didn't benefit from furlough and had to go on unemployment - for example, because their employer went out of business, or they were between jobs, or had started a new job too recently - were much worse off here.
- lucian1900 6y ago
  The UK certainly didn’t do enough either, so many here are in rent arrears for example. Rents should’ve been frozen as the first act.

Plenty of countries have paired lockdowns with rent&mortgage freezes, furlough, assistance for the needy in general, etc. Both problems have solutions.

TaylorSwift 6y ago

A lot of my peers are in a certain age that should be dating. But it's been 1 year now, and there are paranoia and concerns about safety. It's really tiring. Missing out on 2 years of developing a healthy social relationship with other people -- it really is a lost of time in a prime age.

lucian1900 6y ago
Certainly years of this are not sustainable. That’s why the approach taken by a few countries to eliminate local transmission are preferable (China, Vietnam, New Zealand, South Korea).
saiya-jin 6y ago
I can't honestly imagine how bad indirect negative impact of all related to covid will be, I would say at least on scale of direct deaths / long time sufferers (although those things are obviously not directly comparable). And yet despite all these costs, most of the world failed desperately and repeatedly in handling it and the show is far from over. Meeting the other sex is a topic on its own - all normal venues often just disappeared, especially here in Europe. No bars, no restaurants, concerts, schools, group sports, and most importantly not that much work in the office, arguably the most common place for folks to meet their significant other. I am just a remote observer of this, we were lucky to get married in summer 2019 - one year later the marriage would be with 6 guests max if it would happen at all. But still can't wrap my head around all this no matter which angle I try to look it form. Me, my wife and my son been through covid in February, my parents back home are going through it now and I really do have respect from this unpredictable sickness. But as damage mounts in each one of us and there is always this fleeting political promise that in next 2 months it will be much better, I am getting tired of largely inefficient yet very restrictive constraints and starting to lean more towards 'fuck it, keep basic measures mandatory everywhere and lets go back to behavior as it was before covid'. It may be just a stupid kneejerk reaction, but over 1 year wears one out
- rubicon33 6y ago
  > one year later the marriage would be with 6 guests max if it would happen at all. I've seen many weddings in 2020 that were totally unrestrained, 100+ gatherings with the justification being "outdoors". No masks worn, nothing. I can't stand that there are people who would do that. If I may ask - given how cautious you sound - how did you get covid?
rubicon33 6y ago
The most tiring thing isn't missing out on life, it's seeing all the people who are vagrantly choosing to ignore safety precautions and continue on with THEIR life while others are distancing, staying at home, avoiding people, etc. By far the worst part about this has been the feeling that I have wasted a year, while others chose not to. My mistake I guess, but for everyone who chose to ignore the rules, many spread the virus.
- tastyfreeze 6y ago
  The other day my daughter asked why I listen to tsunami alerts and head uphill when the the waves arent much bigger that a normal wave by the time they get to us (inside island). I told her that I'm not going to be the dummy that gets killed by not heeding warnings. I think the same applies here. You do you and dont worry about all the folks taking risks to go out. Statistically, some of them are responsible for someone's death from COVID or died from COVID. I would rather not be part of that statistic just because I felt like I missed out.

makomk 6y ago

Every country has had plenty of people who fall through the holes in whatever assistance programs they have in place, and the US media has downplayed their downsides compared to what the US did. For example, there's been a tendency in the American press to push the UK's furlough program as better than the US approach because it kept more people off unemployment, but as far as I could tell the US enhanced unemployment was substantially better for the worst-off amongst you than UK furlough, and those who didn't benefit from furlough and had to go on unemployment - for example, because their employer went out of business, or they were between jobs, or had started a new job too recently - were much worse off here.

lucian1900 6y ago
The UK certainly didn’t do enough either, so many here are in rent arrears for example. Rents should’ve been frozen as the first act.