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The vaccine was developed by BioNtech. Not by Pfizer. You also have an Apple AX in your iPhone. Not a TSMC chip, right?

jjcon 6y ago
Efficacious vaccine candidates are high in supply (moderna, Pfizer, j&j, AstraZeneca etc etc) - massive manufacturing capacity, testing and clinical trial ability however is not. If Pfizer hadn’t partnered with biontech they wouldn’t have idle manufacturing, they would have partnered with another lab to create something else. Apple is a customer of TSMC - they pay for fab time to create a specific component they need for their devices. Pfizer and biontech however are splitting the development costs and sharing the profits. That is a very different relationship.
- jakub_jo 6y ago
  So if they're sharing everything, why is not BioNtech mentioned in the submission's title? This America first thing is becoming really annoying for the rest of the world. Germany and the EU funded much of the vaccine's development. It's the EU who is supplying the world with vaccines. The US only stand out by blocking exports.
  - xxpor 6y ago
    And the EU is being stupid. Look the disaster of a roll out.
  - jjcon 6y ago
    I think the idea is that biontechs contribution is a dime a dozen at this point - the heavy lifting (ie where demand outstrips supply) is being done by Pfizer not biontech If this were not the case why is it that the EU vaccine rollout has been dismal compared to the US and UK? It’s because they don’t have the negotiating power that comes with having what is actually in demand - production capacity.
    - ruph123 6y ago
      > why is it that the EU vaccine rollout has been dismal compared to the US and UK? Because both do not export any vaccine. And the EU does. So even Canada cannot get vaccines from the US and gets it from the EU which exported about half its production outside the EU. Some even went to the US. Partnering with Pfizer was done because the BioNtech CEO knew people at Pfizer from before. If they would’ve chosen e.g. Bayer (which is what CureVac did) the story of would’ve been different.
      - jjcon 6y ago
        > Because both do not export any vaccine. And the EU does. So even Canada cannot get vaccines from the US Blatantly Untrue - the US has directly exported vaccine to both Canada and Mexico and it’s companies are producing huge amounts of vaccine worldwide for over 70 countries right now. The UK has fallen short of its export commitments but that is a far cry from ‘do not export any vaccine’. Again though this just comes back to leverage, the EU and it’s properties generally lack what is in demand: production capacity. That is why we have the short end of the stick right now, blaming everyone but ourselves only fans flames unnecessarily.
        the_why_of_y 6y ago
        Executive order 13962 is still in effect. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/12/11/2020-27455/ensuring-access-to-united-states-government-covid-19-vaccines https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/12/11/2020-27... Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of the United States to ensure Americans have priority access to free, safe, and effective COVID-19 vaccines. After ensuring the ability to meet the vaccination needs of the American people, it is in the interest of the United States to facilitate international access to United States Government COVID-19 Vaccines.
        jjcon 6y ago
        Which in no way directly excludes the export of vaccine to other countries - as I have mentioned the US has directly exported to canada and mexico and its properties are creating vaccine for over 70 countries including every country in the EU.

Efficacious vaccine candidates are high in supply (moderna, Pfizer, j&j, AstraZeneca etc etc) - massive manufacturing capacity, testing and clinical trial ability however is not. If Pfizer hadn’t partnered with biontech they wouldn’t have idle manufacturing, they would have partnered with another lab to create something else. Apple is a customer of TSMC - they pay for fab time to create a specific component they need for their devices. Pfizer and biontech however are splitting the development costs and sharing the profits. That is a very different relationship.

jakub_jo 6y ago
So if they're sharing everything, why is not BioNtech mentioned in the submission's title? This America first thing is becoming really annoying for the rest of the world. Germany and the EU funded much of the vaccine's development. It's the EU who is supplying the world with vaccines. The US only stand out by blocking exports.
- xxpor 6y ago
  And the EU is being stupid. Look the disaster of a roll out.
- jjcon 6y ago
  I think the idea is that biontechs contribution is a dime a dozen at this point - the heavy lifting (ie where demand outstrips supply) is being done by Pfizer not biontech If this were not the case why is it that the EU vaccine rollout has been dismal compared to the US and UK? It’s because they don’t have the negotiating power that comes with having what is actually in demand - production capacity.
  - ruph123 6y ago
    > why is it that the EU vaccine rollout has been dismal compared to the US and UK? Because both do not export any vaccine. And the EU does. So even Canada cannot get vaccines from the US and gets it from the EU which exported about half its production outside the EU. Some even went to the US. Partnering with Pfizer was done because the BioNtech CEO knew people at Pfizer from before. If they would’ve chosen e.g. Bayer (which is what CureVac did) the story of would’ve been different.
    - jjcon 6y ago
      > Because both do not export any vaccine. And the EU does. So even Canada cannot get vaccines from the US Blatantly Untrue - the US has directly exported vaccine to both Canada and Mexico and it’s companies are producing huge amounts of vaccine worldwide for over 70 countries right now. The UK has fallen short of its export commitments but that is a far cry from ‘do not export any vaccine’. Again though this just comes back to leverage, the EU and it’s properties generally lack what is in demand: production capacity. That is why we have the short end of the stick right now, blaming everyone but ourselves only fans flames unnecessarily.
      - the_why_of_y 6y ago
        Executive order 13962 is still in effect. https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/12/11/2020-27455/ensuring-access-to-united-states-government-covid-19-vaccines https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2020/12/11/2020-27... Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of the United States to ensure Americans have priority access to free, safe, and effective COVID-19 vaccines. After ensuring the ability to meet the vaccination needs of the American people, it is in the interest of the United States to facilitate international access to United States Government COVID-19 Vaccines.
        jjcon 6y ago
        Which in no way directly excludes the export of vaccine to other countries - as I have mentioned the US has directly exported to canada and mexico and its properties are creating vaccine for over 70 countries including every country in the EU.