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People with long COVID symptoms have recovered after taking the vaccine. This is hypothesized to be due to persistent viral reservoirs, viral fragments, or an a

by sa1 6y ago

People with long COVID symptoms have recovered after taking the vaccine. This is hypothesized to be due to persistent viral reservoirs, viral fragments, or an autoimmune response. We don't know how the vaccine would improve things for people without visible long covid symptoms, but it is likely to help. Also immune response improves after a vaccine just as it improves after a second shot. There are risks, there might not be benefits for you, but there are definitely benefits to taking the vaccine for people who recovered.

JPKab 6y ago
Good to know. That helps me knowing that there are benefits rather than having it essentially being a placebo. Can you provide links to any peer reviewed scientific literature on the benefits of the vaccine for recovered individuals? I don't trust any of the journalism on this, considering that they are universally scientifically and statistically illiterate clickbait producers these days.
- soperj 6y ago
  You're also getting immunity to variants that you haven't caught. Vaccines have been proven to confer some immunity, and less dire infections to those who do get it. Having previously caught it doesn't seem to, especially the Brazillian variant.
  - stjohnswarts 6y ago
    This seems like the most logical argument to me. His body may have deteremine and locked on to some other protein in whatever variant infected him rather than the one targeted by the vaccines that I believe all 3 currently approved vaccines go after.
- sa1 6y ago
  You can find some preliminary work on this thread: https://mobile.twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1371226482702495744 https://mobile.twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1371226482... and you can follow the professor for the latest updates.
JPKab 6y ago
One added note on "long covid": I think a lot of sufferers of it are psychosomatic. The demographic for long covid doesn't match the demographic of those who are most at risk of the virus or get the worst symptoms. Instead, it matches the demographic most likely to complain about symptoms from other diseases that have attracted large numbers of sufferers, only to have most of them disappear when the disease became less trendy: Fibromyalgia and gluten intolerance, who had massive spikes in patients claiming to have the diseases, and suddenly big drop offs, for lifelong illnesses that don't go away. These patients tended to be affluent, white, middle-age women, who are not remotely the most at risk from covid, but are disproportionate in claiming long covid. The vaccine probably has a placebo effect on these kinds of folks. Underestimating the full power of psychosomatic driven symptoms is a big problem. The mind can really make the body sick, and there's a lot of science backing this up. I should specify that i don't think this is voluntary, or humans wanting attention. I think it's induced by excessive fear-based media and the subconscious, combined with the huge evolutionary advantage of the mind having the ability to induce vomiting if other tribe members who have eaten contaminated food begin getting sick. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23851-what-if-your-gluten-intolerance-is-all-in-your-head/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23851-what-if-your-gl...
- bonniemuffin 6y ago
  If their symptoms are psychosomatic, but the vaccine cures those symptoms through the placebo effect, then what's the problem? They were genuinely suffering, and now they're not: the vaccine cured their long covid.
  - snakeboy 6y ago
    Probably better to give them a placebo vaccine so we don't waste the good stuff ;)
- HWR_14 6y ago
  Given that lung scans of people with long-COVID show scar tissue, I doubt it's entirely psychosomatic. Given that lung damage has appeared even in outwardly asymptomatic carriers, it seems likely that that damage shows up more in people who, knowing they are less likely to die, take more risks.

by sa1 6y ago

JPKab 6y ago

Good to know. That helps me knowing that there are benefits rather than having it essentially being a placebo. Can you provide links to any peer reviewed scientific literature on the benefits of the vaccine for recovered individuals? I don't trust any of the journalism on this, considering that they are universally scientifically and statistically illiterate clickbait producers these days.

soperj 6y ago
You're also getting immunity to variants that you haven't caught. Vaccines have been proven to confer some immunity, and less dire infections to those who do get it. Having previously caught it doesn't seem to, especially the Brazillian variant.
- stjohnswarts 6y ago
  This seems like the most logical argument to me. His body may have deteremine and locked on to some other protein in whatever variant infected him rather than the one targeted by the vaccines that I believe all 3 currently approved vaccines go after.
sa1 6y ago
You can find some preliminary work on this thread: https://mobile.twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1371226482702495744 https://mobile.twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/1371226482... and you can follow the professor for the latest updates.

JPKab 6y ago

One added note on "long covid": I think a lot of sufferers of it are psychosomatic. The demographic for long covid doesn't match the demographic of those who are most at risk of the virus or get the worst symptoms. Instead, it matches the demographic most likely to complain about symptoms from other diseases that have attracted large numbers of sufferers, only to have most of them disappear when the disease became less trendy: Fibromyalgia and gluten intolerance, who had massive spikes in patients claiming to have the diseases, and suddenly big drop offs, for lifelong illnesses that don't go away. These patients tended to be affluent, white, middle-age women, who are not remotely the most at risk from covid, but are disproportionate in claiming long covid. The vaccine probably has a placebo effect on these kinds of folks. Underestimating the full power of psychosomatic driven symptoms is a big problem. The mind can really make the body sick, and there's a lot of science backing this up. I should specify that i don't think this is voluntary, or humans wanting attention. I think it's induced by excessive fear-based media and the subconscious, combined with the huge evolutionary advantage of the mind having the ability to induce vomiting if other tribe members who have eaten contaminated food begin getting sick. https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23851-what-if-your-gluten-intolerance-is-all-in-your-head/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23851-what-if-your-gl...

bonniemuffin 6y ago
If their symptoms are psychosomatic, but the vaccine cures those symptoms through the placebo effect, then what's the problem? They were genuinely suffering, and now they're not: the vaccine cured their long covid.
- snakeboy 6y ago
  Probably better to give them a placebo vaccine so we don't waste the good stuff ;)
HWR_14 6y ago
Given that lung scans of people with long-COVID show scar tissue, I doubt it's entirely psychosomatic. Given that lung damage has appeared even in outwardly asymptomatic carriers, it seems likely that that damage shows up more in people who, knowing they are less likely to die, take more risks.