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> the US but is effectively blocking Cuba from a good portion of the world market except for a few small allies. It is not. Every country is free to decide if

> the US but is effectively blocking Cuba from a good portion of the world market except for a few small allies. It is not. Every country is free to decide if it wants to trade with Cuba or not. > Just don't use these internal problems to minimize the injustice of the blockade against Cuba There is no injustice. Cuban people can end it whenever they want. Their government too.

sudosysgen 6y ago
Countries are not free to decide if they trade with Cuba or not. If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death, by using violence or the threat of violence to prevent the trade of crucial materials. Before this regime, the US simply deployed the Navy to fire on anyone who went to Cuba.
- 908B64B197 6y ago
  > If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death, by using violence or the threat of violence to prevent the trade of crucial materials. Sounds like a choice to me. Is it better to keep trading with a free allied country or give it all up to be allowed to trade with a dictatorship?
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Yes, it's as much of a choice as when I put a gun against your head and ask you to do me a favour. The "choice" is based on literal state violence. Both in internationally enforcing intellectual property laws (with your military) to force you from buying medicine and other crucial supplies from the US, and from using violence to prevent those from being sold.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  > Countries are not free to decide if they trade with Cuba or not. If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death Nearly everyone except for the US trades with Cuba, including the US’s main allies like Canada and the European countries in NATO. The US is content to maintain its own ban on trade with Cuba because its politicians want to woo the Cuban exile vote, but it has been decades since it put pressure on other countries to maintain the same harsh policy.
  - 908B64B197 6y ago
    And yet you'll constantly hear folks whining that Cuba would be so prosperous if it wasn't prohibited from trading with one country... It's all America's fault, certainly the local Cuban warlords did nothing wrong.
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Cuba already is quite prosperous, amongst the best in South America and more prosperous than the average. It's not prohibited from one country alone. If you trade with Cuba, you are under threat of American sanctions. Go to Cuba for a bit, you will see the extent of the smuggling necessary even for non-American goods. I have.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Yeah, no, this is not correct. Trade from other countries to Cuba is still incredibly limited because of secondary sanctions to entities that deal with Cuba. Go spend some time in Cuba and you'll see what that means in practice - equipment is bought above market price and smuggled routinely.

sudosysgen 6y ago

Countries are not free to decide if they trade with Cuba or not. If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death, by using violence or the threat of violence to prevent the trade of crucial materials. Before this regime, the US simply deployed the Navy to fire on anyone who went to Cuba.

908B64B197 6y ago
> If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death, by using violence or the threat of violence to prevent the trade of crucial materials. Sounds like a choice to me. Is it better to keep trading with a free allied country or give it all up to be allowed to trade with a dictatorship?
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  Yes, it's as much of a choice as when I put a gun against your head and ask you to do me a favour. The "choice" is based on literal state violence. Both in internationally enforcing intellectual property laws (with your military) to force you from buying medicine and other crucial supplies from the US, and from using violence to prevent those from being sold.
Mediterraneo10 6y ago
> Countries are not free to decide if they trade with Cuba or not. If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death Nearly everyone except for the US trades with Cuba, including the US’s main allies like Canada and the European countries in NATO. The US is content to maintain its own ban on trade with Cuba because its politicians want to woo the Cuban exile vote, but it has been decades since it put pressure on other countries to maintain the same harsh policy.
- 908B64B197 6y ago
  And yet you'll constantly hear folks whining that Cuba would be so prosperous if it wasn't prohibited from trading with one country... It's all America's fault, certainly the local Cuban warlords did nothing wrong.
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Cuba already is quite prosperous, amongst the best in South America and more prosperous than the average. It's not prohibited from one country alone. If you trade with Cuba, you are under threat of American sanctions. Go to Cuba for a bit, you will see the extent of the smuggling necessary even for non-American goods. I have.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  Yeah, no, this is not correct. Trade from other countries to Cuba is still incredibly limited because of secondary sanctions to entities that deal with Cuba. Go spend some time in Cuba and you'll see what that means in practice - equipment is bought above market price and smuggled routinely.