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I wouldn't tag China as a communist country for at least a couple decades now.

pvaldes 6y ago
Then, all we have is a 'not true communist scotsman' spiral all the way down. If a country directed by a party named the Communist party is not communist, who could claim that tag for themselves? Not North Korea. A country frozen in time and obsessed by xenophobic purity, dictator worship, army and control of the citizens. This is the very own definition of dystopic fascism, bordering isolated religious cult. Definitely not communism, that always was a mixed bag of anarchists, misfits craving power and other undercurrents moving in similar directions before turning ameboid and splitting again or eating alive the other groups. Russia? is very "capitalism of the mob" now. As US, is just too big to define it, but it definitely has components of Neofeudalism and tug dictatorship IMHO with several thin layers of shiny democracy put strategically over it to cover the ugly rust. Communism has influenced the society, but is a thing of the past now (probably, I could be wrong).
- helloworld11 6y ago
  The "no true scotsman" argument is very valid in many political and economic topics, but it doesn't remotely apply to China or Russia, two countries that have long since abandoned even the semblance of socialism or communism in favor of systems that more closely approach economic fascism. One can criticise countries thatt have failed at communism validly by citing real examples such as Cuba, which genuinely spent decades trying to implement and maintain these ideologies with rigour that closely resembled hardline socialism in practice. Nothig about today's China or today's Russia invalidades that criticism or those that are similar.
  - pvaldes 6y ago
    I like the 'economic fascism' definition, seems useful to define a lot of the current events all around the planet. We'll never know what Cuba could have become in normal circumstances. Is not fair to expect shiny results when everybody is boycotting your economy for decades or trying to murder the president all the time. If we learn something about this strategy is that validates and reinforces the government after creating a situation of "keep the power at any cost or we will kill you". The same error has happened in Siria for example.

Then, all we have is a 'not true communist scotsman' spiral all the way down. If a country directed by a party named the Communist party is not communist, who could claim that tag for themselves? Not North Korea. A country frozen in time and obsessed by xenophobic purity, dictator worship, army and control of the citizens. This is the very own definition of dystopic fascism, bordering isolated religious cult. Definitely not communism, that always was a mixed bag of anarchists, misfits craving power and other undercurrents moving in similar directions before turning ameboid and splitting again or eating alive the other groups. Russia? is very "capitalism of the mob" now. As US, is just too big to define it, but it definitely has components of Neofeudalism and tug dictatorship IMHO with several thin layers of shiny democracy put strategically over it to cover the ugly rust. Communism has influenced the society, but is a thing of the past now (probably, I could be wrong).

helloworld11 6y ago
The "no true scotsman" argument is very valid in many political and economic topics, but it doesn't remotely apply to China or Russia, two countries that have long since abandoned even the semblance of socialism or communism in favor of systems that more closely approach economic fascism. One can criticise countries thatt have failed at communism validly by citing real examples such as Cuba, which genuinely spent decades trying to implement and maintain these ideologies with rigour that closely resembled hardline socialism in practice. Nothig about today's China or today's Russia invalidades that criticism or those that are similar.
- pvaldes 6y ago
  I like the 'economic fascism' definition, seems useful to define a lot of the current events all around the planet. We'll never know what Cuba could have become in normal circumstances. Is not fair to expect shiny results when everybody is boycotting your economy for decades or trying to murder the president all the time. If we learn something about this strategy is that validates and reinforces the government after creating a situation of "keep the power at any cost or we will kill you". The same error has happened in Siria for example.