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DRM is a problem everywhere including linux and running ChromiumOS. There is a protected path from the stream to the display that needs to be "certified" in ord

DRM is a problem everywhere including linux and running ChromiumOS. There is a protected path from the stream to the display that needs to be "certified" in order to support something like 1080p. I guess for payments it's similar. Its really unnecessary and waste of resources imo. But creators probably want some kind of assurances and so we are stuck with it.

ddalex 6y ago
> payments it's similar Without the protected path, how do you know that a malicious program doesn't use a low-level API to start a payment from your account without you noticing ?
- berdario 6y ago
  1- You don't, but it's not a real problem since non-cryptocurrency payments are reversible and trackable, so scammers won't use them. They'll rather exploit analog ways to get money out of you, recent example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKW58MS12g#t=7m18s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKW58MS12g#t=7m18s 2- You don't, but sandboxing should be enough to isolate untrustworthy apps from OS-level APIs that could do what you're afraid of.
- anoncake 6y ago
  The problem is that people have to run untrustworthy software to begin with.
skynet-9000 6y ago
You are forgetting that DRM stopped all that piracy that bankrupted the movie industry. That's also why there were so few movies released in the last 15 months or so. It really debunks that myth that open source software could ever handle the strong encryption that's so desperately needed to protect new movies and TV shows from showing up on The Pirate Bay. I for one welcome this cogent and secure technological response to a market issue.
- oooooooooooow 6y ago
  I call nonsense on this one. Anything that's on current streaming services (especially the popular stuff, aka the money makers) can be easily found on p2p networks. DRM has never won a single battle that I know of. These services are not successful because of exclusivity, but because of convenience, feature richness, legality, speed of access... in other words they are worth the price. It's important to be aware of this: the media streaming landscape becoming more and more fragmented directly impacts the most important reason why people are paying for these (convenience), which could lead to a harsh reality check for production companies.
  - yyyk 6y ago
    >DRM has never won a single battle that I know of. You need to define 'victory' in a proper manner. Businesspeople don't really care if some lone hacker in some forsaken internet forum broke their DRM. They don't need to fulfill the perfect technical victory condition. So long as they've limited the use of the devices for nearly all users for the commercial lifespan of the device*, and (most importantly) so long they think they make more money than without, they've won as far as they're concerned. Their criteria is far more realistic and relevant to the world at large than the technical 'never ever get hacked' criteria. There's a good argument that perfect protection (if it were possible) would actually be counterproductive to the bottom line. * Just look at how general computing has been getting more and more restricted.
- argon0 6y ago
  I don't know what you're talking about. As long as you can videotape a screen in a dark room and get audio out a 3.5mm jack, piracy will continue. The only way to prevent piracy is either: A) only allow movies to be played in theaters B) watermark all content, and vigorously track down freeloaders based on the watermarks You can still find most movies/TV/books/music for free on the open web as long as you use a search engine other than google.
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  You're going to get so many responses missing your sarcasm.

ddalex 6y ago

> payments it's similar Without the protected path, how do you know that a malicious program doesn't use a low-level API to start a payment from your account without you noticing ?

berdario 6y ago
1- You don't, but it's not a real problem since non-cryptocurrency payments are reversible and trackable, so scammers won't use them. They'll rather exploit analog ways to get money out of you, recent example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKW58MS12g#t=7m18s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrKW58MS12g#t=7m18s 2- You don't, but sandboxing should be enough to isolate untrustworthy apps from OS-level APIs that could do what you're afraid of.
anoncake 6y ago
The problem is that people have to run untrustworthy software to begin with.

skynet-9000 6y ago

You are forgetting that DRM stopped all that piracy that bankrupted the movie industry. That's also why there were so few movies released in the last 15 months or so. It really debunks that myth that open source software could ever handle the strong encryption that's so desperately needed to protect new movies and TV shows from showing up on The Pirate Bay. I for one welcome this cogent and secure technological response to a market issue.

oooooooooooow 6y ago
I call nonsense on this one. Anything that's on current streaming services (especially the popular stuff, aka the money makers) can be easily found on p2p networks. DRM has never won a single battle that I know of. These services are not successful because of exclusivity, but because of convenience, feature richness, legality, speed of access... in other words they are worth the price. It's important to be aware of this: the media streaming landscape becoming more and more fragmented directly impacts the most important reason why people are paying for these (convenience), which could lead to a harsh reality check for production companies.
- yyyk 6y ago
  >DRM has never won a single battle that I know of. You need to define 'victory' in a proper manner. Businesspeople don't really care if some lone hacker in some forsaken internet forum broke their DRM. They don't need to fulfill the perfect technical victory condition. So long as they've limited the use of the devices for nearly all users for the commercial lifespan of the device*, and (most importantly) so long they think they make more money than without, they've won as far as they're concerned. Their criteria is far more realistic and relevant to the world at large than the technical 'never ever get hacked' criteria. There's a good argument that perfect protection (if it were possible) would actually be counterproductive to the bottom line. * Just look at how general computing has been getting more and more restricted.
argon0 6y ago
I don't know what you're talking about. As long as you can videotape a screen in a dark room and get audio out a 3.5mm jack, piracy will continue. The only way to prevent piracy is either: A) only allow movies to be played in theaters B) watermark all content, and vigorously track down freeloaders based on the watermarks You can still find most movies/TV/books/music for free on the open web as long as you use a search engine other than google.
vorpalhex 6y ago
You're going to get so many responses missing your sarcasm.