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Thank you for questioning this. I'll take your evidence and the evidence provided elsewhere in the thread (CONCORD-3 trial, a trial including millions of cancer

by jac241 6y ago

Thank you for questioning this. I'll take your evidence and the evidence provided elsewhere in the thread (CONCORD-3 trial, a trial including millions of cancer patients in the US and AUS) over the secondhand anecdote of one physician. Is Stanford even the safety-net hospital for the Bay Area?

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Stanford is absolutely not a safety net hospital. This is proof that even people with "good insurance" (especially since they are going to Stanford) are falling through the cracks regularly. UCSF General Hospital would be the safety net hospital in the area, though. Safety net hospitals are for the uninsured or poor typically. Australia has no safety net hospitals, because everyone legally resident in Australia has health insurance. All hospitals in Australia have very high quality of care. While we (Americans) may have comparable 5 year survival rates, it does not mean that there is not unnecessary death via the American system. There are deaths (mortality) and adverse conditions (morbidities) due to amenable and non-amenable medical errors in all healthcare systems in the world. The unique aspect about American healthcare is that there is another category that is not prevalent in other highly industrialized countries: mortalities and morbidities due to a lack of care (lack of ability to pay for care), which happens easily, even if you have money. I can assure you that while we may have comparable 5 year survival rates, there’s more to the story here, and that there is so much unnecessary death in the US healthcare system. I have studied health systems worldwide, country-to-country, via the open-access peer reviewed publications posted on HealthData.org. I live abroad, basically over the American healthcare situation. I have 2 rare neurological diseases affecting my peripheral nervous system plus type 1 diabetes (autoimmune and insulin-dependent).
- jac241 6y ago
  I am a US medical student so I am in a hospital or clinic almost every day. Our hospital is a tertiary care safety net hospital and all the patients are sick as hell because they have poor access to healthcare. So I know what that looks like, and I'm not arguing that the American "system" is good. I just think you can't say that patients present with higher stage cancers in America based on what's presented in that paper. America likely has worse health outcomes for lower income people, and my guess based on what I've seen is that that's driven by untreated diabetes, hypertension, and higher rates of smoking leading to increased incidence of MI, stroke, and kidney disease, but I have no data to back that up. I would also guess that the reason you're not seeing higher stage presentation in those papers is that poor people who would have had those later presentations are dying of heart disease and CKD before they can develop those cancers. Just my suspicion and I am happy to be proven wrong by data. It is just frustrating to me when people on this site who are generally more educated than your average person will toss anecdotes and unsupported claims around, particularly about healthcare.
  - inopinatus 6y ago
    Here’s a fun fact for you. When I talk to my wife, and she tells me things about work, I don’t say “citation needed”; nor would I change that in response to whinging demands from the peanut gallery, and doubly not as followup from that of a comment/opinion/anecdote-driven website as riddled with bad-faith weasels as this one. Which is, of course, in part, why I’m still married. Alternatively, for a related experience, since you're on rotation, try going up to your CMO and demanding evidence for some off-the-cuff remark they've made about their own professional choices. Good luck.
    - refurb 6y ago
      Don't play the victim here. You posted something that the available data doesn't support. People questioned it, asked for more information, and you're now claiming hurt feelings and a need to "keep peace in your marriage"?
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      - inopinatus 6y ago
        Adding personal invective to your litany of misquotations, misrepresentations, straw-man arguments, and sealioning, as in comments passim, is not an inducement to further discussion.
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    - disabled 6y ago
      Thanks for calling me a “bad faith weasel”, LOL. BTW, I upvoted you for your sense of humor.

by jac241 6y ago

disabled 6y ago

Stanford is absolutely not a safety net hospital. This is proof that even people with "good insurance" (especially since they are going to Stanford) are falling through the cracks regularly. UCSF General Hospital would be the safety net hospital in the area, though. Safety net hospitals are for the uninsured or poor typically. Australia has no safety net hospitals, because everyone legally resident in Australia has health insurance. All hospitals in Australia have very high quality of care. While we (Americans) may have comparable 5 year survival rates, it does not mean that there is not unnecessary death via the American system. There are deaths (mortality) and adverse conditions (morbidities) due to amenable and non-amenable medical errors in all healthcare systems in the world. The unique aspect about American healthcare is that there is another category that is not prevalent in other highly industrialized countries: mortalities and morbidities due to a lack of care (lack of ability to pay for care), which happens easily, even if you have money. I can assure you that while we may have comparable 5 year survival rates, there’s more to the story here, and that there is so much unnecessary death in the US healthcare system. I have studied health systems worldwide, country-to-country, via the open-access peer reviewed publications posted on HealthData.org. I live abroad, basically over the American healthcare situation. I have 2 rare neurological diseases affecting my peripheral nervous system plus type 1 diabetes (autoimmune and insulin-dependent).

jac241 6y ago
I am a US medical student so I am in a hospital or clinic almost every day. Our hospital is a tertiary care safety net hospital and all the patients are sick as hell because they have poor access to healthcare. So I know what that looks like, and I'm not arguing that the American "system" is good. I just think you can't say that patients present with higher stage cancers in America based on what's presented in that paper. America likely has worse health outcomes for lower income people, and my guess based on what I've seen is that that's driven by untreated diabetes, hypertension, and higher rates of smoking leading to increased incidence of MI, stroke, and kidney disease, but I have no data to back that up. I would also guess that the reason you're not seeing higher stage presentation in those papers is that poor people who would have had those later presentations are dying of heart disease and CKD before they can develop those cancers. Just my suspicion and I am happy to be proven wrong by data. It is just frustrating to me when people on this site who are generally more educated than your average person will toss anecdotes and unsupported claims around, particularly about healthcare.
- inopinatus 6y ago
  Here’s a fun fact for you. When I talk to my wife, and she tells me things about work, I don’t say “citation needed”; nor would I change that in response to whinging demands from the peanut gallery, and doubly not as followup from that of a comment/opinion/anecdote-driven website as riddled with bad-faith weasels as this one. Which is, of course, in part, why I’m still married. Alternatively, for a related experience, since you're on rotation, try going up to your CMO and demanding evidence for some off-the-cuff remark they've made about their own professional choices. Good luck.
  - refurb 6y ago
    Don't play the victim here. You posted something that the available data doesn't support. People questioned it, asked for more information, and you're now claiming hurt feelings and a need to "keep peace in your marriage"?
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    - inopinatus 6y ago
      Adding personal invective to your litany of misquotations, misrepresentations, straw-man arguments, and sealioning, as in comments passim, is not an inducement to further discussion.
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  - disabled 6y ago
    Thanks for calling me a “bad faith weasel”, LOL. BTW, I upvoted you for your sense of humor.