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that is a stupid comment. the techies inside unversities are horrendously underfunded. m365 at least will bring consistency and will probably also make your dat

by merb 6y ago

that is a stupid comment. the techies inside unversities are horrendously underfunded. m365 at least will bring consistency and will probably also make your date more secure to third party actors. it also comes with a5 licenses with a special and cheap deal so it's basically ridicolous that all other customers are paying for this. > but today we already have some Universities that don't even have their own datacenter anymore, everything is hosted elsewhere and maintained by contractors. Students access SaaS via a Browser. Walled gardens everywhere tons of software was already from external contractors. I'm not sure but some people like you are living in bubbles. of course it would be possible to have everything open source. BUT with our current governement M365 is the best solution. the cdu sleeped for over 20 years to have a great open source solution. so it would be impossible to have something integrated ready within a short window, it would also blow a huge budget. the only thing you can be mad about is our government, the m365 is the best thing that could happen. btw. I hate the strange bashing against american companies, as if german companies are any better (they are not). btw. I'm german and everytime I see something like that I'm mad, we do everything to even have a SaaS vendor, with ridiculous data privacy (only if you are an american company, for german company's the authoritis are looking away or making special rules) and than our governement fucks every citizen by making rules that don't even work together with the privacy rules. time to relocate. everything starts to be stupid and the wrong questions are asked.

fps_doug 6y ago
> the techies inside unversities are horrendously underfunded. m365 at least will bring consistency and will probably also make your date more secure to third party actors. True, but no reason to dig an even deeper hole. > of course it would be possible to have everything open source. BUT with our current governement M365 is the best solution. the cdu sleeped for over 20 years to have a great open source solution. so it would be impossible to have something integrated ready within a short window, it would also blow a huge budget. the only thing you can be mad about is our government, the m365 is the best thing that could happen. You're completely ignoring that I'm complaining about the move to the cloud, and the restrictiveness of the contract. Even just continuing the old contract and staying with offline-Office would have been better. > btw. I hate the strange bashing against american companies, as if german companies are any better (they are not). I never even hinted at this being about Microsoft being American. I don't want my University to upload my PII to "the cloud" so I can use Word in a Browser. You're basically saying we shouldn't even be trying anymore. Why not shut down the CS departments of universities entirely and just hand out accounts to Skillshare et al., so those still interested in CS can learn from there? There's nothing left a University could offer that you can't access from there. Maybe a couple credits for the Azure cloud if you need to do something computationally intensive. Your University surely doesn't have anything left in-house for this anyways.
- merb 6y ago
  > You're completely ignoring that I'm complaining about the move to the cloud, and the restrictiveness of the contract. Even just continuing the old contract and staying with offline-Office would have been better. a cloud is a necessity. it's basically impossible to have a local solution, for every fucking university and most stuff is basically serices built together with closed and open source software, which is a managemend disaster. > I never even hinted at this being about Microsoft being American. I don't want my University to upload my PII to "the cloud" so I can use Word in a Browser. your PII is uploaded to so many companies, besides microsoft. microsoft is probably the lesser evil of all these. > You're basically saying we shouldn't even be trying anymore. Why not shut down the CS departments of universities entirely and just hand out accounts to Skillshare et al., so those still interested in CS can learn from there? There's nothing left a University could offer that you can't access from there. Maybe a couple credits for the Azure cloud if you need to do something computationally intensive. we should but as of now we should have a intermediate ms solution. btw. the cs departments most of the time do managed services, they do not develop stuff. often they already manage microsoft solutions, so they already use microsoft active directory and exchange. most of them were also breached by hafnium. what we should do is built a edu cloud (SaaS/PaaS/IaaS) with services (open source) for students and profs, which has a central mail system and is managed centrally. but until this is built you need a working solution. > Your University surely doesn't have anything left in-house for this anyways. I'm not a student anymore, but most universities do not have that much selfbuild code lying around anyways. I mean most people working at universities don't care what they os is, they want to use their ms outlook or ms word. of course some universties are way more science oriented and thus more personal wants to use linux & co or write stuff in latex, but that is a minority. also as soon as you are leaving your university, there are only a handful of corporations where you won't be using a ms product. after hafnium tons of them are also moving to m365.
  - yarcob 6y ago
    > a cloud is a necessity For whom? It's a necessity for software vendors, because they finally have an easy and straightforward way to bill per user. Nobody needs a cloud based solution, running software on a local machine is a perfectly workable solution.
deknos 6y ago
> and will probably also make your date more secure to third party actors. you assume that the administration of these managed services is better. This is an bold assumption.
- angry_octet 6y ago
  If the email is based on the Exchange/AD paradigm then o365 is undoubtedly far more secure. An expertly administered postfix system might deliver mail more securely but probably has a weak web frontend. I too prefer offline Office install for my own use, but they are systemically less secure. Just rampant exploitation.
avh02 6y ago
expat in Germany here, opinion: you have a lot of trash to see elsewhere before you realise how good it is here.
varispeed 6y ago
> with a special and cheap deal and ever for a second you don't think that there may be a catch?
DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
> that is a stupid comment. It's possible to strongly disagree with a comment without inflammatory language. E.g.: "I really disagree with that comment." It helps keep the conversation productive.
dang 6y ago
"When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. 'That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3' can be shortened to '1 + 1 is 2, not 3.'" https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- bitmapbrother 6y ago
  When are you going to lift the shadow banning and post limiting on me? It's been how long?
  - dang 6y ago
    You weren't shadow banned: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17915526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17915526. Since you've continued to do the things we banned you for, I don't see why we would unban you.
    - bitmapbrother 6y ago
      Continued to do the things I was banned for? Why don't you point out the specific examples because we both know that's bullshit. Just because you don't agree with people doesn't mean you should use your status to silence them. Let me guess, you're a Joe Biden liberal aren't you?
- merb 6y ago
  yeah sorry, i was filled by rage, when posting that.

by merb 6y ago

fps_doug 6y ago

> the techies inside unversities are horrendously underfunded. m365 at least will bring consistency and will probably also make your date more secure to third party actors. True, but no reason to dig an even deeper hole. > of course it would be possible to have everything open source. BUT with our current governement M365 is the best solution. the cdu sleeped for over 20 years to have a great open source solution. so it would be impossible to have something integrated ready within a short window, it would also blow a huge budget. the only thing you can be mad about is our government, the m365 is the best thing that could happen. You're completely ignoring that I'm complaining about the move to the cloud, and the restrictiveness of the contract. Even just continuing the old contract and staying with offline-Office would have been better. > btw. I hate the strange bashing against american companies, as if german companies are any better (they are not). I never even hinted at this being about Microsoft being American. I don't want my University to upload my PII to "the cloud" so I can use Word in a Browser. You're basically saying we shouldn't even be trying anymore. Why not shut down the CS departments of universities entirely and just hand out accounts to Skillshare et al., so those still interested in CS can learn from there? There's nothing left a University could offer that you can't access from there. Maybe a couple credits for the Azure cloud if you need to do something computationally intensive. Your University surely doesn't have anything left in-house for this anyways.

merb 6y ago
> You're completely ignoring that I'm complaining about the move to the cloud, and the restrictiveness of the contract. Even just continuing the old contract and staying with offline-Office would have been better. a cloud is a necessity. it's basically impossible to have a local solution, for every fucking university and most stuff is basically serices built together with closed and open source software, which is a managemend disaster. > I never even hinted at this being about Microsoft being American. I don't want my University to upload my PII to "the cloud" so I can use Word in a Browser. your PII is uploaded to so many companies, besides microsoft. microsoft is probably the lesser evil of all these. > You're basically saying we shouldn't even be trying anymore. Why not shut down the CS departments of universities entirely and just hand out accounts to Skillshare et al., so those still interested in CS can learn from there? There's nothing left a University could offer that you can't access from there. Maybe a couple credits for the Azure cloud if you need to do something computationally intensive. we should but as of now we should have a intermediate ms solution. btw. the cs departments most of the time do managed services, they do not develop stuff. often they already manage microsoft solutions, so they already use microsoft active directory and exchange. most of them were also breached by hafnium. what we should do is built a edu cloud (SaaS/PaaS/IaaS) with services (open source) for students and profs, which has a central mail system and is managed centrally. but until this is built you need a working solution. > Your University surely doesn't have anything left in-house for this anyways. I'm not a student anymore, but most universities do not have that much selfbuild code lying around anyways. I mean most people working at universities don't care what they os is, they want to use their ms outlook or ms word. of course some universties are way more science oriented and thus more personal wants to use linux & co or write stuff in latex, but that is a minority. also as soon as you are leaving your university, there are only a handful of corporations where you won't be using a ms product. after hafnium tons of them are also moving to m365.
- yarcob 6y ago
  > a cloud is a necessity For whom? It's a necessity for software vendors, because they finally have an easy and straightforward way to bill per user. Nobody needs a cloud based solution, running software on a local machine is a perfectly workable solution.

deknos 6y ago

> and will probably also make your date more secure to third party actors. you assume that the administration of these managed services is better. This is an bold assumption.

angry_octet 6y ago
If the email is based on the Exchange/AD paradigm then o365 is undoubtedly far more secure. An expertly administered postfix system might deliver mail more securely but probably has a weak web frontend. I too prefer offline Office install for my own use, but they are systemically less secure. Just rampant exploitation.

avh02 6y ago

expat in Germany here, opinion: you have a lot of trash to see elsewhere before you realise how good it is here.

varispeed 6y ago

> with a special and cheap deal and ever for a second you don't think that there may be a catch?

DoofusOfDeath 6y ago

> that is a stupid comment. It's possible to strongly disagree with a comment without inflammatory language. E.g.: "I really disagree with that comment." It helps keep the conversation productive.

dang 6y ago

"When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. 'That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3' can be shortened to '1 + 1 is 2, not 3.'" https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

bitmapbrother 6y ago
When are you going to lift the shadow banning and post limiting on me? It's been how long?
- dang 6y ago
  You weren't shadow banned: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17915526 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17915526. Since you've continued to do the things we banned you for, I don't see why we would unban you.
  - bitmapbrother 6y ago
    Continued to do the things I was banned for? Why don't you point out the specific examples because we both know that's bullshit. Just because you don't agree with people doesn't mean you should use your status to silence them. Let me guess, you're a Joe Biden liberal aren't you?
merb 6y ago
yeah sorry, i was filled by rage, when posting that.