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You are making up a straw man. The economic blockade by the US has the goal of destroying the political and economic order of Cuba. And just to be clear, this

You are making up a straw man. The economic blockade by the US has the goal of destroying the political and economic order of Cuba. And just to be clear, this blockade is not just blocking Cuba from trading with the US but is effectively blocking Cuba from a good portion of the world market except for a few small allies. And even those trades with allies can become vastly more costly because of the blockade. There are not many countries that would survive such a blockade not to mention thrive in it. Are there internal problems in Cuba? Sure there are. Does it make my quoted sentence incorrect that said: >Of course because of the economic blockade against Cuba they are forced to be creative on how to use the available resources. No, it does not. It does not state that there might not be also other problems in Cuba. There is lots of internal problems one can talk about and if someone has honest questions, please ask. Just don't use these internal problems to minimize the injustice of the blockade against Cuba. (Not to imply whether this is what my former poster intended to do or not).

redis_mlc 6y ago
> The economic blockade by the US has the goal of destroying the political and economic order of Cuba. Well, Cuba could return the US property that was nationalized, and elect a non-Communist government, you know. Instead they swim for the US. Also, the Cuban missile crisis didn't end when people were told. Half of the Russian nuclear missiles were left behind, and when Russia realized Castro wanted to actually use them against the US, Russia had a nightmare in getting them back. (A Russian diplomat became a hero by pointing out some treaty loophole to the Cubans, who decided to follow the "treaty" and allowed the repo. Had the Russians told Castro he was crazy, likely those missiles would still be there.)
908B64B197 6y ago
> the US but is effectively blocking Cuba from a good portion of the world market except for a few small allies. It is not. Every country is free to decide if it wants to trade with Cuba or not. > Just don't use these internal problems to minimize the injustice of the blockade against Cuba There is no injustice. Cuban people can end it whenever they want. Their government too.
- sudosysgen 6y ago
  Countries are not free to decide if they trade with Cuba or not. If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death, by using violence or the threat of violence to prevent the trade of crucial materials. Before this regime, the US simply deployed the Navy to fire on anyone who went to Cuba.
  - 908B64B197 6y ago
    > If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death, by using violence or the threat of violence to prevent the trade of crucial materials. Sounds like a choice to me. Is it better to keep trading with a free allied country or give it all up to be allowed to trade with a dictatorship?
    - sudosysgen 6y ago
      Yes, it's as much of a choice as when I put a gun against your head and ask you to do me a favour. The "choice" is based on literal state violence. Both in internationally enforcing intellectual property laws (with your military) to force you from buying medicine and other crucial supplies from the US, and from using violence to prevent those from being sold.
  - Mediterraneo10 6y ago
    > Countries are not free to decide if they trade with Cuba or not. If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death Nearly everyone except for the US trades with Cuba, including the US’s main allies like Canada and the European countries in NATO. The US is content to maintain its own ban on trade with Cuba because its politicians want to woo the Cuban exile vote, but it has been decades since it put pressure on other countries to maintain the same harsh policy.
    - 908B64B197 6y ago
      And yet you'll constantly hear folks whining that Cuba would be so prosperous if it wasn't prohibited from trading with one country... It's all America's fault, certainly the local Cuban warlords did nothing wrong.

redis_mlc 6y ago

> The economic blockade by the US has the goal of destroying the political and economic order of Cuba. Well, Cuba could return the US property that was nationalized, and elect a non-Communist government, you know. Instead they swim for the US. Also, the Cuban missile crisis didn't end when people were told. Half of the Russian nuclear missiles were left behind, and when Russia realized Castro wanted to actually use them against the US, Russia had a nightmare in getting them back. (A Russian diplomat became a hero by pointing out some treaty loophole to the Cubans, who decided to follow the "treaty" and allowed the repo. Had the Russians told Castro he was crazy, likely those missiles would still be there.)

908B64B197 6y ago

> the US but is effectively blocking Cuba from a good portion of the world market except for a few small allies. It is not. Every country is free to decide if it wants to trade with Cuba or not. > Just don't use these internal problems to minimize the injustice of the blockade against Cuba There is no injustice. Cuban people can end it whenever they want. Their government too.

sudosysgen 6y ago
Countries are not free to decide if they trade with Cuba or not. If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death, by using violence or the threat of violence to prevent the trade of crucial materials. Before this regime, the US simply deployed the Navy to fire on anyone who went to Cuba.
- 908B64B197 6y ago
  > If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death, by using violence or the threat of violence to prevent the trade of crucial materials. Sounds like a choice to me. Is it better to keep trading with a free allied country or give it all up to be allowed to trade with a dictatorship?
  - sudosysgen 6y ago
    Yes, it's as much of a choice as when I put a gun against your head and ask you to do me a favour. The "choice" is based on literal state violence. Both in internationally enforcing intellectual property laws (with your military) to force you from buying medicine and other crucial supplies from the US, and from using violence to prevent those from being sold.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  > Countries are not free to decide if they trade with Cuba or not. If they decide to trade with Cuba, the US government threatens sanctions which can lead to economic ruin and death Nearly everyone except for the US trades with Cuba, including the US’s main allies like Canada and the European countries in NATO. The US is content to maintain its own ban on trade with Cuba because its politicians want to woo the Cuban exile vote, but it has been decades since it put pressure on other countries to maintain the same harsh policy.
  - 908B64B197 6y ago
    And yet you'll constantly hear folks whining that Cuba would be so prosperous if it wasn't prohibited from trading with one country... It's all America's fault, certainly the local Cuban warlords did nothing wrong.