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Nothing of value has been added by having a "feminist" point of view. People (men and women) have been doing archeology for a long time, and the experience of g

Nothing of value has been added by having a "feminist" point of view. People (men and women) have been doing archeology for a long time, and the experience of girls and women have been studied (You could argue the extent of course) by countless scholars. I suppose I dont belong to the enlightened crowd when I dont understand quotes like these: > “Is e=mc2 a sexed equation? Perhaps it is. Let us make the hypothesis that it is insofar as it privileges the speed of light over other speeds that are vitally necessary to us. What seems to me to indicate the possible sexed nature of the equation is not directly its uses by nuclear weapons, rather it is having privileged what goes the fastest.”

chc 6y ago
I don't think you're supposed to understand that quote. While the quote was attributed by Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont to a feminist writer, nobody seems to be able to find an actual appearance of the quote before Sokal and Bricmont's usage, so it seems most likely that the quote was fabricated by one of those authors (perhaps as a placeholder that they forgot to replace with an actual quote — who knows?).
- cambalache 6y ago
  You are either a very ignorant person(and in full demonstration of the Dunning-Kruger effect) or a disingenuous and dishonest troll. " L’équation E=MC2 est-elle une équation sexuée ? Peut-être que oui. Faisons l'hypothèse que oui, dans la mesure où elle privilégie la vitesse de la lumière par rapport à d’autres vitesses dont nous avons vitalement besoin. Ce qui me semble une possibilité de la signature sexuée de l'équation, ce n'est pas directement ses utilisations par les armements nucléaires, c'est d'avoir privilégié ce qui va le plus vite " Irigaray, Luce. 1987b. “Sujet de la science, sujet sexué?” In : Sens et place des connaissances dans la société, pp. 95-121. Paris: Centre National de Recherche Scientifique.Vol 3. You can see here the page, https://imgur.com/a/kJg67dl https://imgur.com/a/kJg67dl Here it is the link to the book in Gallica https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3347401c.texteImage https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3347401c.texteImage
  - chc 6y ago
    Thank you — I've never been able to find any actual references to the page, and have found a lot of other people who found the book Sokal and Bricmont cited without being able to turn up the actual quote. I'm not sure your hostility is called for. At any rate, that quote seems to be something of a weak-man argument that doesn't give us much insight into the question you meant to be addressing. You don't find insight in an odd passage by one particular author in an obscure French publication from 1987 that seems to have mainly been cited by way of disagreement, therefore an entire field of modern scholarship is useless?
    - cambalache 6y ago
      Jog off troll
- jariel 6y ago
  Fabrications are unnecessary to make his point. 'Math is Racist' is an accepted idea in parts of government and programs are designed around the fact that 'getting the correct answer' can be an artifact of White Supremacy. Here is a hefty dose of Newspeak [1] And Oregon teachers material on : "Dismantling Racism in Mathematics Instruction" [2] The first sentence: "White supremacy culture infiltrates math classrooms" "• The focus is on getting the “right” answer." (Notice the word 'right' in quotation marks!) "Students are required to “show their work.”" "These common practices that perpetuate white supremacy culture create and sustain institutional and systemic barriers to equity for Black, Latinx, and Multilingual students. In order to dismantle these barriers, we must identify what it means to be an antiracist math educator." In Critical Race Theory - quite literally Math and 'getting the correct answer' (or even a focus on that) is 'White Supremacy' and if you don't get that, you're racist and must be pushed out of the system so that teachers who begin their instruction from the basis of 'anti racism' can 'teach'. Of course, there's no evidence of this offered, but that's irrelevant. This is a government document, not a random quote from the internet. [1] https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2021/03/opinion-antiracist-math-education-adds-up-to-better-results-for-students.html https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2021/03/opinion-antiracis... [2] https://equitablemath.org/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery https://equitablemath.org/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govde...
bigbillheck 6y ago
Part of feminism is the agreement that "the experience of girls and women" is a topic worth studying in the first place.

chc 6y ago

I don't think you're supposed to understand that quote. While the quote was attributed by Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont to a feminist writer, nobody seems to be able to find an actual appearance of the quote before Sokal and Bricmont's usage, so it seems most likely that the quote was fabricated by one of those authors (perhaps as a placeholder that they forgot to replace with an actual quote — who knows?).

cambalache 6y ago
You are either a very ignorant person(and in full demonstration of the Dunning-Kruger effect) or a disingenuous and dishonest troll. " L’équation E=MC2 est-elle une équation sexuée ? Peut-être que oui. Faisons l'hypothèse que oui, dans la mesure où elle privilégie la vitesse de la lumière par rapport à d’autres vitesses dont nous avons vitalement besoin. Ce qui me semble une possibilité de la signature sexuée de l'équation, ce n'est pas directement ses utilisations par les armements nucléaires, c'est d'avoir privilégié ce qui va le plus vite " Irigaray, Luce. 1987b. “Sujet de la science, sujet sexué?” In : Sens et place des connaissances dans la société, pp. 95-121. Paris: Centre National de Recherche Scientifique.Vol 3. You can see here the page, https://imgur.com/a/kJg67dl https://imgur.com/a/kJg67dl Here it is the link to the book in Gallica https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3347401c.texteImage https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k3347401c.texteImage
- chc 6y ago
  Thank you — I've never been able to find any actual references to the page, and have found a lot of other people who found the book Sokal and Bricmont cited without being able to turn up the actual quote. I'm not sure your hostility is called for. At any rate, that quote seems to be something of a weak-man argument that doesn't give us much insight into the question you meant to be addressing. You don't find insight in an odd passage by one particular author in an obscure French publication from 1987 that seems to have mainly been cited by way of disagreement, therefore an entire field of modern scholarship is useless?
  - cambalache 6y ago
    Jog off troll
jariel 6y ago
Fabrications are unnecessary to make his point. 'Math is Racist' is an accepted idea in parts of government and programs are designed around the fact that 'getting the correct answer' can be an artifact of White Supremacy. Here is a hefty dose of Newspeak [1] And Oregon teachers material on : "Dismantling Racism in Mathematics Instruction" [2] The first sentence: "White supremacy culture infiltrates math classrooms" "• The focus is on getting the “right” answer." (Notice the word 'right' in quotation marks!) "Students are required to “show their work.”" "These common practices that perpetuate white supremacy culture create and sustain institutional and systemic barriers to equity for Black, Latinx, and Multilingual students. In order to dismantle these barriers, we must identify what it means to be an antiracist math educator." In Critical Race Theory - quite literally Math and 'getting the correct answer' (or even a focus on that) is 'White Supremacy' and if you don't get that, you're racist and must be pushed out of the system so that teachers who begin their instruction from the basis of 'anti racism' can 'teach'. Of course, there's no evidence of this offered, but that's irrelevant. This is a government document, not a random quote from the internet. [1] https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2021/03/opinion-antiracist-math-education-adds-up-to-better-results-for-students.html https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/2021/03/opinion-antiracis... [2] https://equitablemath.org/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery https://equitablemath.org/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=govde...

bigbillheck 6y ago

Part of feminism is the agreement that "the experience of girls and women" is a topic worth studying in the first place.