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Did Symbolics Pte. Ltd. bother to contact Luke Tierney[1] before taking both his code and name and co-opting them as their own? Edit: [1] https://homepage.stat

by bgk 6y ago

Did Symbolics Pte. Ltd. bother to contact Luke Tierney[1] before taking both his code and name and co-opting them as their own? Edit: [1] https://homepage.stat.uiowa.edu/~luke/xls/xlsinfo/ https://homepage.stat.uiowa.edu/~luke/xls/xlsinfo/ (I guess the downvotes for a reasonable question provide the answer)

podiki 6y ago
Care to provide any background or supporting information, for those of thus that don't know who that is or about this project?
- bluefox 6y ago
  http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~luke/xls/xlsinfo/xlsinfo.html http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~luke/xls/xlsinfo/xlsinfo.ht... This is Lisp-Stat. This website looks like a (sad, tasteless) April Fools' joke.
  - jensgk 6y ago
    No joke at all. It is from 1998 or earlier.
    - bluefox 6y ago
      Re-read my comment.
  - bgk 6y ago
    Right, from my understanding, Lisp-Stat originated with Luke Tierney. The latest efforts to extend and work with those ideas/code base are at https://github.com/blindglobe/common-lisp-stat https://github.com/blindglobe/common-lisp-stat and work by Tamas Papp (https://tamaspapp.eu/post/orphaned-lisp-libraries/ https://tamaspapp.eu/post/orphaned-lisp-libraries/) Forking open source code is fine, but why try to take over the name?
    - bluefox 6y ago
      It has already made some damage. Now this website is the first result you get when you type "lisp stat" in DDG. Hopefully when the joke is over, the owner will instead redirect to Tierney's site or replace this nonsense with something more respectful.
  - vindarel 6y ago
    At least it's making it (along with more libraries) available out of the box and in Jupyter notebooks. How do you get the first lisp-stat? https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~luke/xls/xlsinfo/node1.html https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~luke/xls/xlsinfo/node1.htm... I laugh in despair. And the website \o/
- regularfry 6y ago
  On a quick scour of the source code at https://github.com/Lisp-Stat/lisp-stat https://github.com/Lisp-Stat/lisp-stat, I can see that there's a `Copyright (c) 1991 by Luke Tierney` on `base/variables.lisp` in the initial commit. Interestingly, this code is released under the Microsoft Public License, which includes the text: "Copyright Grant- Subject to the terms of this license, including the license conditions and limitations in section 3, each contributor grants you a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free copyright license to reproduce its contribution, prepare derivative works of its contribution, and distribute its contribution or any derivative works that you create" which would imply that the answer to the GP's question needs to be "yes". Note: I have no idea who Luke Tierney is or what his contributions to this area might be, which is a failing on my part.
  - phillc73 6y ago
    There's a mention and some short history on this new project's About page.[1] [1] https://lisp-stat.dev/about/ https://lisp-stat.dev/about/
    - regularfry 6y ago
      Yeah. No closer to understanding the licence situation, but it's looking interesting.
  - clircle 6y ago
    Luke is the architect of xlisp-stat and current R code team member.
stray 6y ago
It's been April fools Day for about five hours already in Singapore. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with this and it''s 100% legit.
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by bgk 6y ago

podiki 6y ago

Care to provide any background or supporting information, for those of thus that don't know who that is or about this project?

bluefox 6y ago
http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~luke/xls/xlsinfo/xlsinfo.html http://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~luke/xls/xlsinfo/xlsinfo.ht... This is Lisp-Stat. This website looks like a (sad, tasteless) April Fools' joke.
- jensgk 6y ago
  No joke at all. It is from 1998 or earlier.
  - bluefox 6y ago
    Re-read my comment.
- bgk 6y ago
  Right, from my understanding, Lisp-Stat originated with Luke Tierney. The latest efforts to extend and work with those ideas/code base are at https://github.com/blindglobe/common-lisp-stat https://github.com/blindglobe/common-lisp-stat and work by Tamas Papp (https://tamaspapp.eu/post/orphaned-lisp-libraries/ https://tamaspapp.eu/post/orphaned-lisp-libraries/) Forking open source code is fine, but why try to take over the name?
  - bluefox 6y ago
    It has already made some damage. Now this website is the first result you get when you type "lisp stat" in DDG. Hopefully when the joke is over, the owner will instead redirect to Tierney's site or replace this nonsense with something more respectful.
- vindarel 6y ago
  At least it's making it (along with more libraries) available out of the box and in Jupyter notebooks. How do you get the first lisp-stat? https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~luke/xls/xlsinfo/node1.html https://homepage.divms.uiowa.edu/~luke/xls/xlsinfo/node1.htm... I laugh in despair. And the website \o/
regularfry 6y ago
On a quick scour of the source code at https://github.com/Lisp-Stat/lisp-stat https://github.com/Lisp-Stat/lisp-stat, I can see that there's a `Copyright (c) 1991 by Luke Tierney` on `base/variables.lisp` in the initial commit. Interestingly, this code is released under the Microsoft Public License, which includes the text: "Copyright Grant- Subject to the terms of this license, including the license conditions and limitations in section 3, each contributor grants you a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free copyright license to reproduce its contribution, prepare derivative works of its contribution, and distribute its contribution or any derivative works that you create" which would imply that the answer to the GP's question needs to be "yes". Note: I have no idea who Luke Tierney is or what his contributions to this area might be, which is a failing on my part.
- phillc73 6y ago
  There's a mention and some short history on this new project's About page.[1] [1] https://lisp-stat.dev/about/ https://lisp-stat.dev/about/
  - regularfry 6y ago
    Yeah. No closer to understanding the licence situation, but it's looking interesting.
- clircle 6y ago
  Luke is the architect of xlisp-stat and current R code team member.

stray 6y ago

It's been April fools Day for about five hours already in Singapore. But I'm sure that has nothing to do with this and it''s 100% legit.

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