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Wouldn’t it be more predictive to think in terms of capabilities to track rate of improvement? You’re never going to see any improvement by your metric if you d
by rytill 6y ago
Wouldn’t it be more predictive to think in terms of capabilities to track rate of improvement? You’re never going to see any improvement by your metric if you don’t want to, it’s unfalsifiable.
Your second statement (if it’s possible) sounds like a “no true intelligence” argument. It’s definitely possible since we exist but might take any number of years.
Your first statement (don’t know how to build it): We don’t need to completely understand intelligence to create it. We need to create conditions from which it can arise. I’m not saying we will completely not understand it either! Just that a partial state of understanding like what we are working with permanently, may be enough. And some people do have ideas about how to do this.
Intelligence is anti-formal-understanding. People have formal models of intelligence and they’re totally impractical. “True” intelligence has messy heuristics everywhere and was evolved naturally.
- jqpabc123 6y agoWe don’t need to completely understand intelligence to create it. We need to create conditions from which it can arise. So you really have no idea if this will work but you have faith. Godel's Incompleteness Theorem suggests this may not be possible within the confines of a binary logic Turing machine; i.e. a modern computer. See my reference.
- Viliam1234 6y agoFrom your reference: > his result shows that either (i) the human mind is not a Turing machine or (ii) there are certain unsolvable mathematical problems. Well, I choose option (ii). Some problems, such as the halting problem, are unsolveable. Furthermore, for any set of axioms, there are problems undecidable with that set of axioms. This entire proof is based on "artificial intelligence is not possible, because it could not solve some mathematical problems". But the fact is that humans also can't solve some mathematical problems, and they exist regardless. You could have an artificial intelligence that is million times smarter than humans, and still can't solve some extremely abstract mathematical problem (that humans can't solve either). So what?
- rytill 6y agoNo, I expect this to occur with high probability for the reasons I stated, and my rebuttal would be similar to the other reply to this comment by Viliam1234.