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So what you actually want is a way for a camera on a phone to be fired without lighting up the screen.

by buro9 15y ago

bobbles 15y ago
This could be a use for the technology as well, rather than disabling the camera, automatically disable the screen if the camera is being used AND the IR is detected.
gaius 15y ago
And also, without people holding it up in front of me. It's not just a problem with gigs. Here in London we have a thing called Secret Cinema, who organize showings of classic films in unlikely locations. It used to be cool. Nowadays it's full of people who are only there so they can Tweet about being there, they aren't engaged in the experience at all, it feels like being in a room full of zombies, and not in a good way. If people have forgotten how to live in the moment, they need to be reminded.
- redtwo 15y ago
  I understand you completely, but this is an apple patent, so it's likely that this feature will only be available for iPhones. And again, who the fk is apple to tell me I can't take photos if I want to.
  - gaius 15y ago
    In this scenario Apple aren't telling you anything. The owner of the venue and/or the performer are.
    - redtwo 15y ago
      It's the iPhone who is preventing you, because Apple made it possible, so here's the scenario : "Organizer : Hey apple, block this guy from taking videos of my event" Apple : Oh no problem, he'll just see dead fish instead ROFL" If the organizer does not want you to take videos, you should still be able to, but if you do or don't, it should be your decision not apple's. So who is telling you what to not film?
drdaeman 15y ago
He wants to see the event, not the phones (recording the same video). His interests conflict with other visitors' interests - to have a recording, so they could re-watch and refresh the memories later, or share video with friends. Obvious solution (for event organisers) would be to hire a professional cameraman recording the event and broadcasting the video stream over WiFi to everyone who attends the event, so they could have a copy (they would, anyway). Visit the event, see the QR code on the wall (or ticket), download an app, put a phone in your pocket and get a nice recording - it's this simple. If the pricing's right, and restrictions (okay, organisers want to squeeze some money so there probably would be some sort of DRM) are fairly lax - attenders won't take their phones in air, event organisers will get additional income, problem solved. If the pricing's wrong or DRM is over-restrictive, attenders would take the recording with their phones. (If someone's worried that the streamed video will complete with DVDs/Blu-Rays - it could be of lower quality, but the quality must be competitive with self-made typical-cameraphone recordings.)

So what you actually want is a way for a camera on a phone to be fired without lighting up the screen.

by buro9 15y ago

So what you actually want is a way for a camera on a phone to be fired without lighting up the screen.

This could be a use for the technology as well, rather than disabling the camera, automatically disable the screen if the camera is being used AND the IR is detected.

gaius 15y ago

And also, without people holding it up in front of me. It's not just a problem with gigs. Here in London we have a thing called Secret Cinema, who organize showings of classic films in unlikely locations. It used to be cool. Nowadays it's full of people who are only there so they can Tweet about being there, they aren't engaged in the experience at all, it feels like being in a room full of zombies, and not in a good way. If people have forgotten how to live in the moment, they need to be reminded.

redtwo 15y ago
I understand you completely, but this is an apple patent, so it's likely that this feature will only be available for iPhones. And again, who the fk is apple to tell me I can't take photos if I want to.
- gaius 15y ago
  In this scenario Apple aren't telling you anything. The owner of the venue and/or the performer are.
  - redtwo 15y ago
    It's the iPhone who is preventing you, because Apple made it possible, so here's the scenario : "Organizer : Hey apple, block this guy from taking videos of my event" Apple : Oh no problem, he'll just see dead fish instead ROFL" If the organizer does not want you to take videos, you should still be able to, but if you do or don't, it should be your decision not apple's. So who is telling you what to not film?

drdaeman 15y ago

He wants to see the event, not the phones (recording the same video). His interests conflict with other visitors' interests - to have a recording, so they could re-watch and refresh the memories later, or share video with friends. Obvious solution (for event organisers) would be to hire a professional cameraman recording the event and broadcasting the video stream over WiFi to everyone who attends the event, so they could have a copy (they would, anyway). Visit the event, see the QR code on the wall (or ticket), download an app, put a phone in your pocket and get a nice recording - it's this simple. If the pricing's right, and restrictions (okay, organisers want to squeeze some money so there probably would be some sort of DRM) are fairly lax - attenders won't take their phones in air, event organisers will get additional income, problem solved. If the pricing's wrong or DRM is over-restrictive, attenders would take the recording with their phones. (If someone's worried that the streamed video will complete with DVDs/Blu-Rays - it could be of lower quality, but the quality must be competitive with self-made typical-cameraphone recordings.)