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Wow, this seems like 4chan conspiracy theory becoming reality. Will the worm one turn out to be true too? On a side note, what kind of idiot puts graphene in m
by dukeofdoom 6y ago
Wow, this seems like 4chan conspiracy theory becoming reality. Will the worm one turn out to be true too?
On a side note, what kind of idiot puts graphene in masks, when its so widely known that graphene is a carcinogen. How can this not be maliciously done.
- hmd_imputer 6y agoexactly. I have even seen a video where they found one on a test kit that you push all the way thru your nose.
- trutannus 6y agoThey're manufactured in China, where quality control can be low to non-existent. My best guess is that somehow the batches got contaminated in the factory. The current admin in Canada has spent the majority of the pandemic failing to vet companies properly, so this is very unsurprisingly to me.
- passerby1 6y agoMasks being discussed were made in Canada: > ..SNN200642 masks made by a Quebec-based manufacturer are being recalled..
- flyingfences 6y ago> Radio-Canada has obtained documents showing Health Canada warned of the potential for "early pulmonary toxicity" from the SNN200642 masks which are made in China and sold and distributed by Métallifer, a Quebec-based manufacturer.
- throwawayfrauds 6y agoThe article says that they are made in China, the company is based in Quebec.
- sudosysgen 6y agoIt's not a question of quality control. The masks were advertised as containing graphene. It was supposedly used for filtration.
- cxcorp 6y agoI wonder if the Quebec government tested the masks for things like this? Especially, considering: > Back in December, the Quebec government revealed that masks it had been distributing for months to more than 15,000 daycares across the province did not meet safety standards, and daycare staff were ordered to stop using them. > Between May and November, the ministry distributed 31.1 million MC9501 masks throughout the network to protect staff from COVID-19, but they were determined to be unfit for use. Fool me once...
- microplastics 6y agoAgree, with the caveat that specific testing for graphene is actually not trivial (it is fundamentally carbon). But functional safety testing, supplier surveys, etc can be put in place to catch this sort of issue upstream.
- shawnz 6y agoWhat should they have tested for besides graphene? Is there some list of contaminants which you feel would be a minimum requirement for their testing, which includes graphene? Moreover do you know what kinds of tests they actually did perform? Without knowing that, how can you judge whether the level of testing was adequate or not? Have you looked into the rate of contaminants being found on their competitors products? Etc.
- cxcorp 6y agoYou are right, I was quick to judge without knowing. Thanks.
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- sudosysgen 6y agoIt's really not an issue of testing. It's much worse - it's written on the box that there is graphene in it.
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- pyinstallwoes 6y agoI was wondering if that will bubble over... it kinda looked like way too many videos were spreading on 4chan for it to be fake, but we'll see. Really odd with those videos and the "graphene strands" start wiggling - probably just graphene exposed to heat? I expect things there to be faked. Anyone with credibility seen the videos care to comment?
- freeone3000 6y agoWhen air moves around small fibers, they move. Look at literally any fibrous material under a microscope and you'll see this -- it's really cool to see exactly how small individual fibers in a thread are!
- pyinstallwoes 6y agoYeah but the videos are more than just "air" - they don't move until applied moisture/heat then they move on their own without more. Kind of like those Japanese dishes with little flakes on them?
- ceejayoz 6y agoAnyone with frizzy hair can conclusively tell you inert, dead material can change with moisture/heat.
- pyinstallwoes 6y agoYou're doing a generalization without looking at the vid... why not look?
- ceejayoz 6y agoI did. As a kid, I had these: https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Capsules-various-themes-package/dp/B000096R2E https://www.amazon.com/Magic-Capsules-various-themes-package... They moved, grew and changed shape when put in water, too. That doesn't make them alive. Or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPfSSUlReM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGPfSSUlReM A thin strand of material moving around when put in water is not at all surprising to me.
- scrollaway 6y agoWe had similar drama with masks distributed in Belgium. They contain nanoparticles of silver. The government gave an official recommendation to stop wearing them. Original report: https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/156628/cloth-mouth-masks-from-avrox-luxembourg-belgium-government-distributed-free-to-pharmacies-may-be-toxic/ https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/156628/c... Follow-up recommendation: https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/156876/belgian-government-says-to-stop-wearing-the-free-cloth-masks-they-distributed-as-a-precaution/ https://www.brusselstimes.com/news/belgium-all-news/156876/b... I'm still wearing mine because I don't go out often enough for it to matter (and when I do, I'm usually on a bicycle where it's not required to wear one). But what a fucked up story. I really thought this would be the end of it: anti-maskers "won", are set for life with an argument on a silver platter now. With actual silver. Surprisingly, though, that didn't happen. People have been pretty chill about it.
- whatshisface 6y agoWell, you'd expect anyone with good skills for telling good arguments from bad ones would end up favoring masks in the first place, so consequently you wouldn't expect people who thought masks wouldn't help to identify the implications of the contamination for their position.
- abduhl 6y agoAlternatively, mask arguments are ultimately emotional for one (both at this point?) side at some point and there is no overcoming emotion with logic or evidence.
- ghaff 6y agoThere's a middle ground along the lines of we should keep wearing them in enclosed public spaces until a significant percentage of the population is vaccinated. But there are also significant contingents of anti-maskers on the one hand and you have to wear masks anywhere outside your home period on the other.
- kergonath 6y agoGraphene is all the rage. The best thing since sliced bread (or, perhaps more accurately in this case, the best thing since radium water). It sounds advanced and science, with Nobel prizes and stuff. I am not surprised it sells.
- esperen 6y agoI didn't know it was classified as a carcinogen, what are your sources on this?
- jcims 6y agoThere are some studies with carbon nanotubes and mesothelioma. Hard to say if graphene would have the same effect, but it seems plausible as CNTs are essentially graphene tubes. https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(17)31171-5 https://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(17)...
- corty 6y agoCheap bulk methods for graphene production will also create other modifications of carbon such as nanotubes. So even if Graphene should be harmless, it might be impure and therefore dangerous.
- thunkshift1 6y agoOk, ill bite...What worm one?
- dukeofdoom 6y agoIts not the one I've seen before. But here's two https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG4xyX-1MAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG4xyX-1MAc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJd4NBEFAkg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJd4NBEFAkg
- fokinsean 6y agoI also just read people are reporting them on the test swabs. I literally just got a test lmao. I'm sure this has a reasonable explanation though, right?
- pyinstallwoes 6y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ceejayoz https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=ceejayoz Any dead material with moisture or air exposed to it will cause it to move. Typical really! /s I poke because, I mean of course we're considering those things. I am not trying to peddle conspiracy theories. I want to fundamentally know why; generalizations don't help here.
- fokinsean 6y agoYeah, I've honestly gotten to the point where I'm not surprised by anything anymore and can't tell truth from fiction. Another fun one is the use of Ethylene Oxide to sterilize the swabs. It is a carcinogen but it seems like it's is used in many places. It was just funny that I stumbled on the ethylene and worm thing _after_ I got my test today.
- pyinstallwoes 6y agoIt's absurd really. Thankfully I'm hearing others with similar introspections. I was feeling quite crazy. Maybe we'll come out of this okay by being curious.
- yumraj 6y ago> On a side note, what kind of idiot puts graphene in masks, when its so widely known that graphene is a carcinogen. How can this not be maliciously done. It says it's made in China.
- pyinstallwoes 6y agohttp://cml.harvard.edu/publicationposts/2019 http://cml.harvard.edu/publicationposts/2019 https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technology/mrna-platform-enabling-drug-discovery-development https://www.modernatx.com/mrna-technology/mrna-platform-enab... Not weird at all.