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As a huge fan of blackpink I highly recommend you check out the documentary they have on Netflix. It became obvious after watching it that the genius behind bla
by HiroshiSan 6y ago
As a huge fan of blackpink I highly recommend you check out the documentary they have on Netflix. It became obvious after watching it that the genius behind blackpink is Teddy Park, who was also behind another massively successful girl group 2NE1.
I've thought about it slightly and without Teddy Park there is no blackpink, but without the individual members each bringing their own flavour to the group, there is no blackpink either.
If you're familiar with the concept art industry, this is essentially just character design but with living people.
We are being fed a story, Katy Perry and Ariana Grande are good examples of this.
- hashkb 6y agoWith these types of "manufactured" performance groups I don't think there's any question that they are not composers. The Lady Gaga case (she promotes herself as a composer / guitarist / pianist) is much more of an intentional mislead, in my opinion.
- zikzak 6y agoI have no dog in this fight and am not even really a fan but always thought Gaga was a legit artist. Do have any proof she's not?
- jahnu 6y agoPerformers who don't write or produce their own material are still artists and are as legitimate as any others!
- Pet_Ant 6y agoI'd say they are performers not artists. The girl running Photoshop is an artist, the HP LaserJet that prints it out isn't. We don't consider choir members to be artists, but if it's just one voice we assume they are?
- 1980phipsi 6y agoNow you're just getting into a war about what art is.
- jrace 6y agoThe performance is the art. In your analogy printer = PA system. Who doesn't consider choir members to be artists?
- gamblor956 6y agoMembers of the choir are performing artists. They make artistic choices related to the actual performance of the song, like how to sing the words written on the page.
- hashkb 6y agoMembers of the choir do not make those choices. The conductor does. The singers are the instrument in that case. Like a pipe in an organ. Their job is to blend and produce the sounds according to the interpretation of the conductor. Source: am a choir member. You will be fired if you interpret the music against the conductor's desires.
- spoonjim 6y agoIf Jascha Heifetz and Murray Perahia aren’t artists then your definition is theatrically absurd.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y agoThese days a lot of them can't actually sing without autotune to clean up their caterwauling.
- jahnu 6y agoStill artists.
- parenthesis 6y agoYes, I'm not complaining that Tina Turner or Diana Ross didn't write the songs they sang (with the odd exception).
- mewse-hn 6y agoLady Gaga has chops and is a real artist. This is a video of her performing an original composition in college: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM51qOpwcIM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM51qOpwcIM
- hashkb 6y agoNo argument there. Does she credit her songwriters? Is it well known that she doesn't write 100%? Or does that not matter to anyone because she's so awesome?
- lenzm 6y ago> "I have worked with and written with some UNREAL artists who let me into their lives to create with them who deserved their credit and publishing, ..." I think most people think she falls under this category.
- hashkb 6y agoI know that the average clubgoerand radio listener assumes songs are produced entirely by the headline artist. From my life experience advocating for composers.
- anonAndOn 6y agoStefani Germanotta is a singer, songwriter, musician, actor and dancer of EGOT caliber. She's not just a pretty face, the lady has mad skillz.
- farfacy 6y agoWhy isn't there a question about manufactured performance groups not being composers? There are manufactured performance groups that are composers and they look just like Blackpink. An example of such a group is GI-DLE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I66oFXdf0KU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I66oFXdf0KU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3szNvgQxHo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3szNvgQxHo
- gamblor956 6y agoKaty Perry found success as a songwriter before she found success as a singer, and has written songs for Britney Spears, Kelly Clarkson, Selena Gomez, and Nikki Minaj, among others. (https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/katy-perry-wrote-songs-nicki-minaj-selena-gomez-13205/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/katy-perry-wr...) Most of her own songs are co-written in studio with her collaborators on the song (meaning the feat artist and the producers), with each collaborator pitching in or more of the hooks or verses. Ariana Grande has written a few of her own songs (though none of these were released as singles). Perhaps you meant that neither Katy Perry or Ariana Grande are composers (who write the instrumental portion of the song)?
- harrisonjackson 6y agoI think they mean "Katy Perry" and "Ariana Grande" are fictional characters as the public knows them. They are characters played by two artists and supported by media/storytelling.
- 0_____0 6y agoThis reminds me a bit of what I've heard about pro wrestling. There's a bit more story and theater to pro wrestling, but a lot of times the characters' personality derives from the person 'playing' them, with the knob turned to 12.
- Balgair 6y agoFor others wondering about this style of entertainment, it's called 'kayfabe' "Kayfabe, in the United States, is often seen as the suspension of disbelief that is used to create the non-wrestling aspects of promotions, such as feuds, angles, and gimmicks in a manner similar to other forms of fictional entertainment. In relative terms, a wrestler breaking kayfabe during a show would be likened to an actor breaking character on-camera." Outside of the entertainment industry, politics is an obvious example, though wikipedia states: "It has long been claimed that kayfabe has been used in American politics, especially in election campaigns, Congress, and the White House, but no evidence of actual usage of kayfabe in Washington has ever been uncovered. In interviews as Governor of Minnesota, former wrestler Jesse Ventura often likened Washington to wrestling when he said that politicians "pretend to hate each other in public, then go out to dinner together."" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe