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Not just a bloc of NATO countries, but also with Russia, which seems to be eagerly invited into organizations such as G8 (= G7 + Russia). With Russia, Ukraine,

by vorg 15y ago

Not just a bloc of NATO countries, but also with Russia, which seems to be eagerly invited into organizations such as G8 (= G7 + Russia). With Russia, Ukraine, and Kazakhstan, the total population of such a bloc is 1 billion. I can forsee the US, France, Germany, and Russia soon forming a proto-military alliance, to give them the option to counter-balance China if they need to one day. And of course the US, unlike China, has immigration as its foundation. They could accept, say, 20 million educated and/or wealthy immigrants from China over the next 20 years, with no shortage of takers ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2660178 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2660178 ), which would strengthen America and weaken China.

dimmuborgir 15y ago
Russia has always been against NATO and lately it is pushing hard for a strong SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) [1] which is branded as Russia's/China's answer to NATO. The current major issue with SCO though is it needs either India or Pakistan or both as its members to make it a formidable military alliance. But since India and Pakistan are archrivals there are differences between Russia, which has always backed India, and China, which has always backed Pakistan. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisati...
- cabalamat 15y ago
  > Russia has always been against NATO and lately it is pushing hard for a strong SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) [1] which is branded as Russia's/China's answer to NATO. This is true. In the long term, Russia needs to decide whether it wants to be a satellite of China, or part of NATO / the West. Bear in mind that SCO isn't actually a military alliance (with mutual defence obligations) yet, although it may become so in the future.
w1ntermute 15y ago
> They could accept, say, 20 million educated and/or wealthy immigrants from China over the next 20 years, with no shortage of takers ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2660178 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2660178 ), which would strengthen America and weaken China. This is the best way to weaken China. In fact, it's the best way to weaken any poor country. Just pay the best people they have to come to your country and become permanent citizens. It's still not too late. Within 20-25 years, there may be no advantage for them, but right now, there is still something for the Chinese to gain by moving here.
- iaskwhy 15y ago
  You don't even need to pay people to move, you just need to have a better society (and get rid of all the immigration laws which prevent this from happening).

by vorg 15y ago

dimmuborgir 15y ago

Russia has always been against NATO and lately it is pushing hard for a strong SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) [1] which is branded as Russia's/China's answer to NATO. The current major issue with SCO though is it needs either India or Pakistan or both as its members to make it a formidable military alliance. But since India and Pakistan are archrivals there are differences between Russia, which has always backed India, and China, which has always backed Pakistan. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisati...

cabalamat 15y ago
> Russia has always been against NATO and lately it is pushing hard for a strong SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) [1] which is branded as Russia's/China's answer to NATO. This is true. In the long term, Russia needs to decide whether it wants to be a satellite of China, or part of NATO / the West. Bear in mind that SCO isn't actually a military alliance (with mutual defence obligations) yet, although it may become so in the future.

w1ntermute 15y ago

> They could accept, say, 20 million educated and/or wealthy immigrants from China over the next 20 years, with no shortage of takers ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2660178 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2660178 ), which would strengthen America and weaken China. This is the best way to weaken China. In fact, it's the best way to weaken any poor country. Just pay the best people they have to come to your country and become permanent citizens. It's still not too late. Within 20-25 years, there may be no advantage for them, but right now, there is still something for the Chinese to gain by moving here.

iaskwhy 15y ago
You don't even need to pay people to move, you just need to have a better society (and get rid of all the immigration laws which prevent this from happening).