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When I made the jul over to full time Linux last February,this is something iran into and was confused about. Wayland was the default on Ubuntu, and it worked g

by jjice 6y ago

When I made the jul over to full time Linux last February,this is something iran into and was confused about. Wayland was the default on Ubuntu, and it worked great! Except for a lot of applications that just wouldn't load... After some reading, I moved to X, but I can't wait for the day Wayland is ready to go. Will there ever be a good way to run things like dmenu on Wayland? I'm still a novice, but will all X programs need to be converted?

matthiasv 6y ago
With XWayland there is no urgent need for conversion. And "a lot of applications that just wouldn't load" sounds pretty fishy to begin with.
- moistbar 6y ago
  Old drivers have issues with XWayland. There's nothing fishy about that statement whatsoever. Hell, NVidia only JUST got XWayland working, though that's probably more an issue of corporate stubbornness.
  - CountSessine 6y ago
    I think NVidia have every incentive to oppose Wayland. The graphics and post-production studio market mostly uses NVidia Quadro cards on linux workstations. They choose NVidia because only NVidia has a fast, stable, minimal-artifact implementation of X11. Being able to code drivers for X11's crazy architecture is actually a competitive advantage.
    - moistbar 6y ago
      Is it still a competitive advantage if nobody wants X11 anymore, though?
sprash 6y ago
> I'm still a novice, but will all X programs need to be converted? No. Because Wayland is fundamentally different from X the following won't ever work: * Window managers * Programs that need to know their absolute window coordinates * Windows that want to draw to the root window * Programs that want to capture the screen via XGetImage()
- anoncake 6y ago
  > * Programs that need to know their absolute window coordinates > * Windows that want to draw to the root window Gnome certainly won't support it, but in principle a compositor could expose that functionality. > * Programs that want to capture the screen via XGetImage() Yeah, doing anything via XAnything() only works on X. So you replace XAnything() by somethingElse().
ubavic 6y ago
> Will there ever be a good way to run things like dmenu on Wayland? I use the wofi which is the rofi replacement. Page 'i3 Migration Guide' [1] from the Sway wiki lists some dmenu replacements (bemenu, fuzzel, gmenu, wldash) [1] https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/i3-Migration-Guide https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/i3-Migration-Guide

by jjice 6y ago

matthiasv 6y ago

With XWayland there is no urgent need for conversion. And "a lot of applications that just wouldn't load" sounds pretty fishy to begin with.

moistbar 6y ago
Old drivers have issues with XWayland. There's nothing fishy about that statement whatsoever. Hell, NVidia only JUST got XWayland working, though that's probably more an issue of corporate stubbornness.
- CountSessine 6y ago
  I think NVidia have every incentive to oppose Wayland. The graphics and post-production studio market mostly uses NVidia Quadro cards on linux workstations. They choose NVidia because only NVidia has a fast, stable, minimal-artifact implementation of X11. Being able to code drivers for X11's crazy architecture is actually a competitive advantage.
  - moistbar 6y ago
    Is it still a competitive advantage if nobody wants X11 anymore, though?

sprash 6y ago

> I'm still a novice, but will all X programs need to be converted? No. Because Wayland is fundamentally different from X the following won't ever work: * Window managers * Programs that need to know their absolute window coordinates * Windows that want to draw to the root window * Programs that want to capture the screen via XGetImage()

anoncake 6y ago
> * Programs that need to know their absolute window coordinates > * Windows that want to draw to the root window Gnome certainly won't support it, but in principle a compositor could expose that functionality. > * Programs that want to capture the screen via XGetImage() Yeah, doing anything via XAnything() only works on X. So you replace XAnything() by somethingElse().

ubavic 6y ago

> Will there ever be a good way to run things like dmenu on Wayland? I use the wofi which is the rofi replacement. Page 'i3 Migration Guide' [1] from the Sway wiki lists some dmenu replacements (bemenu, fuzzel, gmenu, wldash) [1] https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/i3-Migration-Guide https://github.com/swaywm/sway/wiki/i3-Migration-Guide