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>Why are we over-complicating all of this so very hard? What is complicated about this? 1) open charge port 2) plug in cable 3) walk away Your system with

by natch 6y ago

>Why are we over-complicating all of this so very hard? What is complicated about this? 1) open charge port 2) plug in cable 3) walk away Your system with NFC and swiping and scanning cards and chips sounds more complicated to me. I even had to add "open charge port" and "walk away" in order to come up with 3 steps here… how much less complicated could it be?

WorldMaker 6y ago
You are missing: 2.1) Pass the Owner's Club test. "You can't charge here because you aren't a Tesla owner." "You can't charge here because you aren't a Rivian owner." 2.2) Pass the Private Club Membership test. "You can't charge here because you don't have a Shell Power Club Membership." "You can't charge here because you are behind on your Bowling Team Dues." Those are two big problems in the article and the threads here that "Plug and Charge" (as ideal as it sounds) doesn't currently solve, and isn't a problem with existing gas pumps because a standard credit card swipe doesn't know what kind of car you own, stopped being strong-armed "private clubs" decades ago. "Plug and Charge" sounds great if it works, the concern is that right now the emphasis is on creating private clubs with "Plug and Charge" and that's over-complicated the standards, that's why we are still talking about a "Tesla charging network" and a "Rivian charging network" and "Electrify America" and "Charge Point" and "Bowling League Electric network" and "Shell Oil Presents Electric Charging for Dumb Americans" instead of just "American electric charging options" as a fungible pool.
- natch 6y ago
  Fair points (I didn’t downvote you btw, that’s others). I don’t like the bundling of hardware and services either. But in Tesla’s case I do feel they deserve some credit and benefits for paving the way here at great cost and in the face of a lot of naysayers. I do enjoy that I can charge anywhere, and don’t want to see exclusive networks. That being said, we need real solutions on the ground, which takes money. Consumers keep complaining “Teslas are expensive”... well, good charging infrastructure does cost money, and what you are asking for costs money. We paid some of that money when we bought our car. “Expensive” as a term in this case reflects broken thinking that does not reckon with reality. You didn’t use the word but it’s a common thing. Global climate change is not going to be a cost free event. Might as well get used to it, and be willing to share the costs a bit by not cheaping out on a bad car that isn’t helping build a charging network, closed or open.

by natch 6y ago

WorldMaker 6y ago

You are missing: 2.1) Pass the Owner's Club test. "You can't charge here because you aren't a Tesla owner." "You can't charge here because you aren't a Rivian owner." 2.2) Pass the Private Club Membership test. "You can't charge here because you don't have a Shell Power Club Membership." "You can't charge here because you are behind on your Bowling Team Dues." Those are two big problems in the article and the threads here that "Plug and Charge" (as ideal as it sounds) doesn't currently solve, and isn't a problem with existing gas pumps because a standard credit card swipe doesn't know what kind of car you own, stopped being strong-armed "private clubs" decades ago. "Plug and Charge" sounds great if it works, the concern is that right now the emphasis is on creating private clubs with "Plug and Charge" and that's over-complicated the standards, that's why we are still talking about a "Tesla charging network" and a "Rivian charging network" and "Electrify America" and "Charge Point" and "Bowling League Electric network" and "Shell Oil Presents Electric Charging for Dumb Americans" instead of just "American electric charging options" as a fungible pool.

natch 6y ago
Fair points (I didn’t downvote you btw, that’s others). I don’t like the bundling of hardware and services either. But in Tesla’s case I do feel they deserve some credit and benefits for paving the way here at great cost and in the face of a lot of naysayers. I do enjoy that I can charge anywhere, and don’t want to see exclusive networks. That being said, we need real solutions on the ground, which takes money. Consumers keep complaining “Teslas are expensive”... well, good charging infrastructure does cost money, and what you are asking for costs money. We paid some of that money when we bought our car. “Expensive” as a term in this case reflects broken thinking that does not reckon with reality. You didn’t use the word but it’s a common thing. Global climate change is not going to be a cost free event. Might as well get used to it, and be willing to share the costs a bit by not cheaping out on a bad car that isn’t helping build a charging network, closed or open.