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That argument would be fine if we had plenty of mobile OS providers, except we have only two and it's a duopoly with very clear market issues. If you don't lik

That argument would be fine if we had plenty of mobile OS providers, except we have only two and it's a duopoly with very clear market issues. If you don't like Bosch, there's hundreds of other manufacturer, if you don't like a restaurant, there's hundreds of other ones you can pick, if you don't like Android and iOS, well, you're screwed. That's the market analogy, secondly, those monopolies are essential in today's computing world and currently power a great part of the tech industry, easy to see some issues there.

yazaddaruvala 6y ago
> The whole point is that Apple is selling an Apple experience, not an overwhelming flood of "fix it yourself" freeware. Users who want that can get it elsewhere, they shouldn't be forced to suffer it on iOS as well. > That argument would be fine if we had plenty of mobile OS providers So your problem is Apple solved the customer problem so well with “an Apple experience” that all other phone OSes were abandoned. And as a result Apple should be forced to ruin that experience beloved by their customers, so that the relatively small number of software developers make a little more money? As an Apple customer, I’m glad your software is being gated from me. I don’t trust your judgement.
- realusername 6y ago
  > So your problem is Apple solved the customer problem so well with “an Apple experience” that all other phone OSes were abandoned. I don't really care how and why those two companies got their monopoly, that's beside the point. > And as a result Apple should be forced to ruin that experience beloved by their customers, so that the relatively small number of software developers make a little more money? There's hundreds of thousands of developers on mobile platforms and juste two single companies on the other side with blatant anti-trust issues, that's an easy argument here. > As an Apple customer, I’m glad your software is being gated from me. I don’t trust your judgement. I really don't care if you use my software or not either. I'm currently forced to use one of those two mobile platform for my daily use and both choices are terrible in their own way due to anti-trust issues. You have absolutely zero power over Apple which owns your device anyway so I'm not sure why you would say that, it's not like your opinion would matter to them.
  - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
    > I don't really care how and why those two companies got their monopoly, that's beside the point. How do you expect to beat Apple or even an argument on the internet, let alone with Congress, if you’re not even willing to learn from your (so called) competitors?
    - realusername 6y ago
      Which competitors? They aren't any. I expect anti-trust laws to be applied, as simple as that.
      - jodrellblank 6y ago
        What anti-trust measures made Blackberry give up and switch to Android? Was it Apple's doing that Microsoft bought Nokia and Nokia imploded with Symbian and Maemo and inability to compete with iOS? Was it Apple's doing that Microsoft went from Windows CE to Windows Mobile to Windows Phone 7 to Windows Phone 8, each incompatible with the previous, and they couldn't attract developers because they couldn't keep a stable API and didn't embrace the web? Was it Apple's doing that all the featurephone providers from Motorola to Sony, and all the PDA providers like Psion and Palm and Dell, and all the computer companies like IBM and Intel, all completely failed to release a credible competitor device? Apple have 27% of the mobile OS market. Simple as what? What do you expect, what do you want, anti-trust laws being applied to do? Magically conjour up a competitor from nowhere? Or just smash iOS in resentment for its success so you can have avoid having to suffer Android?
        realusername 6y ago
        > What anti-trust measures made Blackberry give up and switch to Android? Was it Apple's doing that Microsoft bought Nokia and Nokia imploded with Symbian and Maemo and inability to compete with iOS? [...] ? The history of the mobile OS market is beside the point, I'm only stating facts about the current landscape. > Apple have 27% of the mobile OS market. And they are in a duopoly with Google with absolutly zero competition. If you want a proof of that, the only time their tariff ever changed was because of Epic Game's threat... of an antitrust lawsuit, you can't even make this stuff up. > Simple as what? What do you expect, what do you want, anti-trust laws being applied to do? Magically conjour up a competitor from nowhere? Or just smash iOS in resentment for its success so you can have avoid having to suffer Android? Yes exactly, smash both iOS and Android into multiple independent companies so that this broken market blocking the tech industry can function again.

yazaddaruvala 6y ago

> The whole point is that Apple is selling an Apple experience, not an overwhelming flood of "fix it yourself" freeware. Users who want that can get it elsewhere, they shouldn't be forced to suffer it on iOS as well. > That argument would be fine if we had plenty of mobile OS providers So your problem is Apple solved the customer problem so well with “an Apple experience” that all other phone OSes were abandoned. And as a result Apple should be forced to ruin that experience beloved by their customers, so that the relatively small number of software developers make a little more money? As an Apple customer, I’m glad your software is being gated from me. I don’t trust your judgement.

realusername 6y ago
> So your problem is Apple solved the customer problem so well with “an Apple experience” that all other phone OSes were abandoned. I don't really care how and why those two companies got their monopoly, that's beside the point. > And as a result Apple should be forced to ruin that experience beloved by their customers, so that the relatively small number of software developers make a little more money? There's hundreds of thousands of developers on mobile platforms and juste two single companies on the other side with blatant anti-trust issues, that's an easy argument here. > As an Apple customer, I’m glad your software is being gated from me. I don’t trust your judgement. I really don't care if you use my software or not either. I'm currently forced to use one of those two mobile platform for my daily use and both choices are terrible in their own way due to anti-trust issues. You have absolutely zero power over Apple which owns your device anyway so I'm not sure why you would say that, it's not like your opinion would matter to them.
- yazaddaruvala 6y ago
  > I don't really care how and why those two companies got their monopoly, that's beside the point. How do you expect to beat Apple or even an argument on the internet, let alone with Congress, if you’re not even willing to learn from your (so called) competitors?
  - realusername 6y ago
    Which competitors? They aren't any. I expect anti-trust laws to be applied, as simple as that.
    - jodrellblank 6y ago
      What anti-trust measures made Blackberry give up and switch to Android? Was it Apple's doing that Microsoft bought Nokia and Nokia imploded with Symbian and Maemo and inability to compete with iOS? Was it Apple's doing that Microsoft went from Windows CE to Windows Mobile to Windows Phone 7 to Windows Phone 8, each incompatible with the previous, and they couldn't attract developers because they couldn't keep a stable API and didn't embrace the web? Was it Apple's doing that all the featurephone providers from Motorola to Sony, and all the PDA providers like Psion and Palm and Dell, and all the computer companies like IBM and Intel, all completely failed to release a credible competitor device? Apple have 27% of the mobile OS market. Simple as what? What do you expect, what do you want, anti-trust laws being applied to do? Magically conjour up a competitor from nowhere? Or just smash iOS in resentment for its success so you can have avoid having to suffer Android?
      - realusername 6y ago
        > What anti-trust measures made Blackberry give up and switch to Android? Was it Apple's doing that Microsoft bought Nokia and Nokia imploded with Symbian and Maemo and inability to compete with iOS? [...] ? The history of the mobile OS market is beside the point, I'm only stating facts about the current landscape. > Apple have 27% of the mobile OS market. And they are in a duopoly with Google with absolutly zero competition. If you want a proof of that, the only time their tariff ever changed was because of Epic Game's threat... of an antitrust lawsuit, you can't even make this stuff up. > Simple as what? What do you expect, what do you want, anti-trust laws being applied to do? Magically conjour up a competitor from nowhere? Or just smash iOS in resentment for its success so you can have avoid having to suffer Android? Yes exactly, smash both iOS and Android into multiple independent companies so that this broken market blocking the tech industry can function again.