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Luca is a cash grab, and maybe more sinister. Since the CWA - the official contact tracing app - switched to not collecting a central database that could be mis

by onli 6y ago

Luca is a cash grab, and maybe more sinister. Since the CWA - the official contact tracing app - switched to not collecting a central database that could be misused we have conservative politicians firing against it. "We give too much importance to data privacy", of course without being able to mention a single feature that the privacy protecting app is missing. Now Luca arrived, with some semi-prominent advocates, and you see conservative politicians shoving millions into that abomination of proprietary, data collecting and now evidently copyright infringing garbage. It is as if a certain political class had this dream scenario of a new location registry of every move of the population. That they did not get via the CWA app, and since then they attack it. But Luca could create it. Don't forget: This is Germany. Very low corruption at the lower level of society (you will never see a bribe in everyday life) and the basic organisation of the country seems competent. Incredible high amount of corruption and incompetence in the higher spheres - Wirecard, Cum Ex, Kohls schwarze Kassen, the governing party (CDU) currently has a scandal about members gaining millions via corruption when organising FFP2 masks, the country completely failed to contain Covid after the first more or less successful lockdown. Luca fits right in.

durnygbur 6y ago
> dream scenario of a new location registry of every move of the population Not only politicians, I assume entities like Rundfunkbeitrag, Schufa, conuntless Inkasso will pay fortune to access such data. > Very low corruption at the lower level of society [...] Incredible high amount of corruption and incompetence in the higher spheres This is incredibly shocking for an newcomer to Germany. One swiftly hits the ceiling of 3-4k EUR net monthly and mortgage of 400-600k EUR with nowhere else to go, while watching enormous amounts of money being shuffled, fortunes hidden in idyllic villages, faceless dynasties owning chunks of industries, >1mln EUR apartments being purchased.
- dgellow 6y ago
  > Rundfunkbeitrag They already get your location (edit: I mean address here) when you register to the local administration (Anmeldebescheinigung).
  - zeepzeep 6y ago
    Address != location. My address is no secret, where I was last friday night (and tuesday morning) is.
    - dgellow 6y ago
      Sure, but the Rundfunkbeitrag has no need for your current location, they just need to know which apartment you're registered at.
      - durnygbur 6y ago
        If they decide that you don't pay the license fee (doesn't matter if you really do), your live location will be beyond useful. They absolutely have the budget to implement the most invasive and abusive debt collection solution.
        avh02 6y ago
        if they wanted to do that they'd probably have found another solution already through google's data at the very least. Probably apple/FB as well. Plus cell phone service providers. I don't know why this new thing is your choice of how they'd get the data other than it being probably run as effectively as parler (edit: no data - gut feeling).
  - rkachowski 6y ago
    They somehow get this before Anmeldung, I lived in my apartment for 2 years before officially registering and received Rundfunkbeitrag letters + frivoulous copyright infringement notices (from a previous apartment).
    - durnygbur 6y ago
      > 2 years before officially registering and received Rundfunkbeitrag letters + frivoulous copyright infringement notices This plus Jehovah Witnesses who stalk intercom labels and decide that you are a perfect (victim) fit for their "community", and you have the full German experience. Copyright bullies, debt collection predators, religious lunatics.
dgellow 6y ago
> (you will never see a bribe in everyday life) That's not true, you can see lot of small bribes in normal day-to-day transactions. Almost every single technician I met (for internet installation, electricity, washing machine installation, etc. Even insurance brokers) offered me to pay them cash directly to get some benefits or falsify some recorded data.
- Tomte 6y ago
  You run in strange circles. I have never ever experienced such a thing. What benefits do they offer? A faster appointment? Cash in order to avoid taxes, sure, that happens, but again: it's not common. Almost always I simply get a paper bill, without any attempt to skirt that.
  - dgellow 6y ago
    > You run in strange circles. It's not about me, I live a perfectly normal, boring life. I'm not the one asking for bribes, and I always rejected them (I'm way too paranoid regarding regulations to accept that kind of stuff).
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- chefkoch 6y ago
  I'm born here and lived here all my life and this has never happened to me.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    Same for the first two, but not the last. It's somewhat common for craftsmen to work "off the books" on smaller private contracts. It's a trade-off because obviously it's hard to claim liability when you have no proof they even worked on it and no contract specifying the work to be done. It's even more common in larger construction projects. Unreported work/income is estimated at about 10% of GDP: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/20063/umfrage/entwicklung-des-umfangs-der-schattenwirtschaft-seit-1995/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/20063/umfrage...

by onli 6y ago

durnygbur 6y ago

> dream scenario of a new location registry of every move of the population Not only politicians, I assume entities like Rundfunkbeitrag, Schufa, conuntless Inkasso will pay fortune to access such data. > Very low corruption at the lower level of society [...] Incredible high amount of corruption and incompetence in the higher spheres This is incredibly shocking for an newcomer to Germany. One swiftly hits the ceiling of 3-4k EUR net monthly and mortgage of 400-600k EUR with nowhere else to go, while watching enormous amounts of money being shuffled, fortunes hidden in idyllic villages, faceless dynasties owning chunks of industries, >1mln EUR apartments being purchased.

dgellow 6y ago
> Rundfunkbeitrag They already get your location (edit: I mean address here) when you register to the local administration (Anmeldebescheinigung).
- zeepzeep 6y ago
  Address != location. My address is no secret, where I was last friday night (and tuesday morning) is.
  - dgellow 6y ago
    Sure, but the Rundfunkbeitrag has no need for your current location, they just need to know which apartment you're registered at.
    - durnygbur 6y ago
      If they decide that you don't pay the license fee (doesn't matter if you really do), your live location will be beyond useful. They absolutely have the budget to implement the most invasive and abusive debt collection solution.
      - avh02 6y ago
        if they wanted to do that they'd probably have found another solution already through google's data at the very least. Probably apple/FB as well. Plus cell phone service providers. I don't know why this new thing is your choice of how they'd get the data other than it being probably run as effectively as parler (edit: no data - gut feeling).
- rkachowski 6y ago
  They somehow get this before Anmeldung, I lived in my apartment for 2 years before officially registering and received Rundfunkbeitrag letters + frivoulous copyright infringement notices (from a previous apartment).
  - durnygbur 6y ago
    > 2 years before officially registering and received Rundfunkbeitrag letters + frivoulous copyright infringement notices This plus Jehovah Witnesses who stalk intercom labels and decide that you are a perfect (victim) fit for their "community", and you have the full German experience. Copyright bullies, debt collection predators, religious lunatics.

dgellow 6y ago

> (you will never see a bribe in everyday life) That's not true, you can see lot of small bribes in normal day-to-day transactions. Almost every single technician I met (for internet installation, electricity, washing machine installation, etc. Even insurance brokers) offered me to pay them cash directly to get some benefits or falsify some recorded data.

Tomte 6y ago
You run in strange circles. I have never ever experienced such a thing. What benefits do they offer? A faster appointment? Cash in order to avoid taxes, sure, that happens, but again: it's not common. Almost always I simply get a paper bill, without any attempt to skirt that.
- dgellow 6y ago
  > You run in strange circles. It's not about me, I live a perfectly normal, boring life. I'm not the one asking for bribes, and I always rejected them (I'm way too paranoid regarding regulations to accept that kind of stuff).
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chefkoch 6y ago
I'm born here and lived here all my life and this has never happened to me.
- luckylion 6y ago
  Same for the first two, but not the last. It's somewhat common for craftsmen to work "off the books" on smaller private contracts. It's a trade-off because obviously it's hard to claim liability when you have no proof they even worked on it and no contract specifying the work to be done. It's even more common in larger construction projects. Unreported work/income is estimated at about 10% of GDP: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/20063/umfrage/entwicklung-des-umfangs-der-schattenwirtschaft-seit-1995/ https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/20063/umfrage...