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hipsters ruin everything literally my mantra whether it's last years riots from people wearing 20 dollar red fist shirts from amazon, or jan 6th insurrection

hipsters ruin everything literally my mantra whether it's last years riots from people wearing 20 dollar red fist shirts from amazon, or jan 6th insurrection by the dude wearing some funky horn helmet thing, or ariel pink, or the guy from vice starting the proud boys, or trump complaining about the mainstream, or fyre festival, or even once you add some edgelordism to it like lil nas x.... hipsters ruin everything. like frank zappa said... america is superficial. no real culture, no real art, just fads. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5WEU30Iods https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5WEU30Iods

exabrial 6y ago
Do what others are unwilling to do. Not sure if that's a quote, but it ought to be.
pbourke 6y ago
What does this have to do with hipsters? Close to 400M visitors means this is the mainstream. Americans have flocked to their national parks since the first one opened. > like frank zappa said... america is superficial. no real culture, no real art, just fads. Jazz? Blues? Abstract Expressionism? Broadway? Give me a break.
- knobcore 6y ago
  there's a huge difference between serious art and serious cultural activity. like experiencing national parks for instance, pack in pack out just like i had to do in boy scouts (and hated i'm not the outdoors type). hipsters are only there for the "hip" factor. hipsterism as a culture is the mainstream. it's basically a cartoon version of itself, and we're worse off for it. people tried to counteract it within art and things like that, however it has no effect because the hipsters just latch onto it and you're back at square one again. it's almost like we've gotta go back to book clubs and leagues and things like that, or somehow have some kind of platform like this mixed with twitter where you can have some kind of long form serious discussion, with real evidence (even observances). just like that dude said somewhere else in this thread, probably about half or more of these people are just taking photos for insta. except there's nothing wrong with even that. it's the "just" part, and the lack of general respect for others and their environment. it is a trend that needs to end or we're over as a species and i'm not even making a joke. somehow, some way, we need to make the lowest common denominator mentality we have made socially acceptable, socially unacceptable, and the design of our social systems and technology need to reflect it.
  - knobcore 6y ago
    note that i'm specific about hipsters because it seems to happen in a few waves. the first wave are the originals that start something, usually through serious means (ie, through literature, serious study, or whatever - think jimi hendrix right before monterrey) the second wave is the hipster wave, where a bunch of people who see something cool/new want to capitalize on such new things. the third wave is the mainstream wave, where now it's just a complete joke, who followed the hipsters because they told them it was the cool new fad. when in reality, we should be in the first wave all the time, and THAT is what should be mainstream.
- Mediterraneo10 6y ago
  > Close to 400M visitors means this is the mainstream. Hasn't it often been said that foreign tourists are so prominent at the biggest parks, because relatively few actual Americans get enough holiday to go that long distance? I would think that visiting the big parks (as opposed to some less famous park nearby one’s home) is not really mainstream.
knowaveragejoe 6y ago
I regret to inform you of this, but, American culture is essentially world culture at this point
- EdwardDiego 6y ago
  As someone from not America, hahaha.
  - knowaveragejoe 6y ago
    What country? I can guarantee you can name American cultural touchstones, but someone from another country - let's pick Brazil, assuming that's not where you're from - could probably not name any cultural touchstones from your country.
prawn 6y ago
What you are seeing, and letting yourself get upset about, are the elements catchy enough to go viral and reach you. Strikes me as a superficial take on things.
- knobcore 6y ago
  nah, i'm upset about republicans singing to YMCA or dancing half wasted to rage against the machine with stop the steal signs in the middle of a national pandemic that has killed 500,000 americans. i'm upset about nobody reading their literature. i'm upset about this article. it's just the piles upon piles upon piles of things i'm upset about and i could write books on it, but it all reduces down to our lack of seriousness which is a NEW phenomenon. even adam curtis pretty much agrees with me. that's literally the whole entire 6 hours of his new shindig.
  - jmeister 6y ago
    “Lack of seriousness” ebbs and flows. Here’s DFW and his contemporaries talking about it in the 90s: https://www.salon.com/2014/04/13/david_foster_wallace_was_right_irony_is_ruining_our_culture/ https://www.salon.com/2014/04/13/david_foster_wallace_was_ri... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sincerity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sincerity
    - knobcore 6y ago
      well i mean, even that is just a bifurcation of a bifurcation of a bifurcation lol. that's part of it too. almost like a wave of sh*t roaming across the land. i agree with you too. like the past few years i started going through history, from the 30s through 1990 (cuz most of that i lived through) and just started mapping out these long trends over 20-40 years. noticing the differences in what happens and so on. and it's kind of funny, you go back 20 years and it's limp bizkit burning down woodstock 99 to break stuff, and 20 years before that you get the sex pistols. and then you fast forward back to now and it's literally aging johnny rotten screaming his love for trump on television and zoomers burning down anything they can, and having an intergenerational fight between those two camps. i think beyond all, it was that combination that most explains the events that have been going on. the sort of generations of goal post moving, the polished nature of diversity that is both a waste of time and ends up tokenizing the trend vs mavericks like roddenberry. and then you mix that with the sort of careless attitudes because so far we've equated freedom from government control, with freedom from any kind of civil order or basic ethical values. when i was a kid, and this isn't that long ago cuz i'm barely in my 30s, if i got caught even considering any of the stuff i read in this article, somebody would've probably kicked my ass or gave me a stern talking to and rightfully so. you shouldn't have to NEED to feel something to do the most minimal of things. we shouldn't NEED to have some crappy surveillance state and have to pay a bazillion park service people to keep an eye on things. people should just do it. hell, go plant a tree or something and go insta that, go read a book, even go to a Broadway show or listen to some Jazz. that was the ethic that glued together this country, and now it's gone. i've been watching a lot of the old generation, the pre you know stewart brand types. and the crazy thing is the bookchins and the ayn rands actually if you really look at it - hated them. because they thought they were too careless and merely wanted to just pick whatever sounded good or mostly plausible to run with it. like this guy was right there along with brand and SDS and all them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd73MYOBV-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd73MYOBV-k i'm a big quality over quantity type of person. i think most people drift towards that, but we're habitually lazy. when the social ties reward that, i just don't really think that's a good idea.

exabrial 6y ago

Do what others are unwilling to do. Not sure if that's a quote, but it ought to be.

pbourke 6y ago

What does this have to do with hipsters? Close to 400M visitors means this is the mainstream. Americans have flocked to their national parks since the first one opened. > like frank zappa said... america is superficial. no real culture, no real art, just fads. Jazz? Blues? Abstract Expressionism? Broadway? Give me a break.

knobcore 6y ago
there's a huge difference between serious art and serious cultural activity. like experiencing national parks for instance, pack in pack out just like i had to do in boy scouts (and hated i'm not the outdoors type). hipsters are only there for the "hip" factor. hipsterism as a culture is the mainstream. it's basically a cartoon version of itself, and we're worse off for it. people tried to counteract it within art and things like that, however it has no effect because the hipsters just latch onto it and you're back at square one again. it's almost like we've gotta go back to book clubs and leagues and things like that, or somehow have some kind of platform like this mixed with twitter where you can have some kind of long form serious discussion, with real evidence (even observances). just like that dude said somewhere else in this thread, probably about half or more of these people are just taking photos for insta. except there's nothing wrong with even that. it's the "just" part, and the lack of general respect for others and their environment. it is a trend that needs to end or we're over as a species and i'm not even making a joke. somehow, some way, we need to make the lowest common denominator mentality we have made socially acceptable, socially unacceptable, and the design of our social systems and technology need to reflect it.
- knobcore 6y ago
  note that i'm specific about hipsters because it seems to happen in a few waves. the first wave are the originals that start something, usually through serious means (ie, through literature, serious study, or whatever - think jimi hendrix right before monterrey) the second wave is the hipster wave, where a bunch of people who see something cool/new want to capitalize on such new things. the third wave is the mainstream wave, where now it's just a complete joke, who followed the hipsters because they told them it was the cool new fad. when in reality, we should be in the first wave all the time, and THAT is what should be mainstream.
Mediterraneo10 6y ago
> Close to 400M visitors means this is the mainstream. Hasn't it often been said that foreign tourists are so prominent at the biggest parks, because relatively few actual Americans get enough holiday to go that long distance? I would think that visiting the big parks (as opposed to some less famous park nearby one’s home) is not really mainstream.

knowaveragejoe 6y ago

I regret to inform you of this, but, American culture is essentially world culture at this point

EdwardDiego 6y ago
As someone from not America, hahaha.
- knowaveragejoe 6y ago
  What country? I can guarantee you can name American cultural touchstones, but someone from another country - let's pick Brazil, assuming that's not where you're from - could probably not name any cultural touchstones from your country.

prawn 6y ago

What you are seeing, and letting yourself get upset about, are the elements catchy enough to go viral and reach you. Strikes me as a superficial take on things.

knobcore 6y ago
nah, i'm upset about republicans singing to YMCA or dancing half wasted to rage against the machine with stop the steal signs in the middle of a national pandemic that has killed 500,000 americans. i'm upset about nobody reading their literature. i'm upset about this article. it's just the piles upon piles upon piles of things i'm upset about and i could write books on it, but it all reduces down to our lack of seriousness which is a NEW phenomenon. even adam curtis pretty much agrees with me. that's literally the whole entire 6 hours of his new shindig.
- jmeister 6y ago
  “Lack of seriousness” ebbs and flows. Here’s DFW and his contemporaries talking about it in the 90s: https://www.salon.com/2014/04/13/david_foster_wallace_was_right_irony_is_ruining_our_culture/ https://www.salon.com/2014/04/13/david_foster_wallace_was_ri... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sincerity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sincerity
  - knobcore 6y ago
    well i mean, even that is just a bifurcation of a bifurcation of a bifurcation lol. that's part of it too. almost like a wave of sh*t roaming across the land. i agree with you too. like the past few years i started going through history, from the 30s through 1990 (cuz most of that i lived through) and just started mapping out these long trends over 20-40 years. noticing the differences in what happens and so on. and it's kind of funny, you go back 20 years and it's limp bizkit burning down woodstock 99 to break stuff, and 20 years before that you get the sex pistols. and then you fast forward back to now and it's literally aging johnny rotten screaming his love for trump on television and zoomers burning down anything they can, and having an intergenerational fight between those two camps. i think beyond all, it was that combination that most explains the events that have been going on. the sort of generations of goal post moving, the polished nature of diversity that is both a waste of time and ends up tokenizing the trend vs mavericks like roddenberry. and then you mix that with the sort of careless attitudes because so far we've equated freedom from government control, with freedom from any kind of civil order or basic ethical values. when i was a kid, and this isn't that long ago cuz i'm barely in my 30s, if i got caught even considering any of the stuff i read in this article, somebody would've probably kicked my ass or gave me a stern talking to and rightfully so. you shouldn't have to NEED to feel something to do the most minimal of things. we shouldn't NEED to have some crappy surveillance state and have to pay a bazillion park service people to keep an eye on things. people should just do it. hell, go plant a tree or something and go insta that, go read a book, even go to a Broadway show or listen to some Jazz. that was the ethic that glued together this country, and now it's gone. i've been watching a lot of the old generation, the pre you know stewart brand types. and the crazy thing is the bookchins and the ayn rands actually if you really look at it - hated them. because they thought they were too careless and merely wanted to just pick whatever sounded good or mostly plausible to run with it. like this guy was right there along with brand and SDS and all them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd73MYOBV-k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd73MYOBV-k i'm a big quality over quantity type of person. i think most people drift towards that, but we're habitually lazy. when the social ties reward that, i just don't really think that's a good idea.