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Can you share info? Because currently for a single site there is no license fee. I've only got one AP at home, but could put a bunch more of wanted. It works s

Can you share info? Because currently for a single site there is no license fee. I've only got one AP at home, but could put a bunch more of wanted. It works so well I wouldn't mind paying some fee, but it'll depend on how much.

traceroute66 6y ago
@c0nsumer My earlier comment was based on a change of policy which happened around 1st March, and any Unleashed quotes as of 1st March (and the two-weeks prior) need to be re-quoted for the new "license per AP" Unleashed model. I've been a bit busy with other work since that bombshell dropped, but if I get a moment I'll try to dig up some pricing. The other thing to note is feature discrepancy between Unleashed and standard. Perhaps of most interest to your average HN contributor was (the last time I checked) IPv6 was not supported on Unleashed firmware, and not much sense of urgency (if any !) to rectify that.
- c0nsumer 6y ago
  Thanks! I completely glossed over the IPv6 thing... At home I don't get native IPv6 from my ISP, so I just tend to forget about that. Although it would be neat. For me I bought my AP on eBay and just plopped the standalone Unleashed firmware on it and that's all seemed fine. In what I see there's nothing changing? But it sounds like you're running a /much/ larger install.
  - traceroute66 6y ago
    Actually (and ironically given the context of this thread !) the reason I found out about the policy change was because I was helping someone out who was looking to dump their Ubiquiti kit and realistically it looked like Ruckus was going to be the only sensible option (despite the already unpalatable price premium before the new policy). As you may or may not be aware, Ruckus have an "all quoted" policy, there is no price list per-se. At the time I was working on the project (late 2020) Ruckus did have a promotional activity going on where you could buy Unleashed kits at fixed prices without quoting. However due to various technical questions that were coming up (e.g. IPv6 support) we missed the window and it was uncertain if Ruckus were going to extend the promotion. Ruckus did extend the promotion, at least initially (Jan-Feb 21') but then they switched to the "license per AP for Unleashed" and the promotion was killed off. It was at at that point that my friend took the hint and dumped the idea of Ruckus and I went back to my normal work. If I get a chance I'll try to find out what happens about second-hand kit. My guess would be that if you stay on old firmware there's not much they can do about it. Although whether its desirable or advisable to stay on old firmware is another question, obviously.
  - traceroute66 6y ago
    @c0nsumer Without going into detail because, well, you never know who's reading .... TL;DR "WatchDog End User Support" is now mandatory for Unleashed and is sold and priced on a per AP per year basis. The pricing is not too scary (two digit figure per AP per year). But I'm told the requirement is (will be ?) enforced so its unlikely to be a case of being sneaky and paying the first year and "forgetting" to pay the renewal.
    - c0nsumer 6y ago
      Thanks for this info; I appreciate it. I've clearly only just scratched the surface of Ruckus stuff.

traceroute66 6y ago

@c0nsumer My earlier comment was based on a change of policy which happened around 1st March, and any Unleashed quotes as of 1st March (and the two-weeks prior) need to be re-quoted for the new "license per AP" Unleashed model. I've been a bit busy with other work since that bombshell dropped, but if I get a moment I'll try to dig up some pricing. The other thing to note is feature discrepancy between Unleashed and standard. Perhaps of most interest to your average HN contributor was (the last time I checked) IPv6 was not supported on Unleashed firmware, and not much sense of urgency (if any !) to rectify that.

c0nsumer 6y ago
Thanks! I completely glossed over the IPv6 thing... At home I don't get native IPv6 from my ISP, so I just tend to forget about that. Although it would be neat. For me I bought my AP on eBay and just plopped the standalone Unleashed firmware on it and that's all seemed fine. In what I see there's nothing changing? But it sounds like you're running a /much/ larger install.
- traceroute66 6y ago
  Actually (and ironically given the context of this thread !) the reason I found out about the policy change was because I was helping someone out who was looking to dump their Ubiquiti kit and realistically it looked like Ruckus was going to be the only sensible option (despite the already unpalatable price premium before the new policy). As you may or may not be aware, Ruckus have an "all quoted" policy, there is no price list per-se. At the time I was working on the project (late 2020) Ruckus did have a promotional activity going on where you could buy Unleashed kits at fixed prices without quoting. However due to various technical questions that were coming up (e.g. IPv6 support) we missed the window and it was uncertain if Ruckus were going to extend the promotion. Ruckus did extend the promotion, at least initially (Jan-Feb 21') but then they switched to the "license per AP for Unleashed" and the promotion was killed off. It was at at that point that my friend took the hint and dumped the idea of Ruckus and I went back to my normal work. If I get a chance I'll try to find out what happens about second-hand kit. My guess would be that if you stay on old firmware there's not much they can do about it. Although whether its desirable or advisable to stay on old firmware is another question, obviously.
- traceroute66 6y ago
  @c0nsumer Without going into detail because, well, you never know who's reading .... TL;DR "WatchDog End User Support" is now mandatory for Unleashed and is sold and priced on a per AP per year basis. The pricing is not too scary (two digit figure per AP per year). But I'm told the requirement is (will be ?) enforced so its unlikely to be a case of being sneaky and paying the first year and "forgetting" to pay the renewal.
  - c0nsumer 6y ago
    Thanks for this info; I appreciate it. I've clearly only just scratched the surface of Ruckus stuff.