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H&M has a store in Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang. I'm curious, who were they selling to? The Uyghurs that are being genocided or the Han Chinese doing the ge

by Leary 6y ago

H&M has a store in Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang. I'm curious, who were they selling to? The Uyghurs that are being genocided or the Han Chinese doing the genociding?

quantstats 6y ago
I’m curious: looking at your posting history, are you at least being paid to astroturf pro-CCP propaganda, or do you do it for free? Could you give us some insight into how it works?
- unityByFreedom 6y ago
  I'm betting free, and that gives me hope there is actual fact finding going on even if we don't see the result. It may not just be trolling.
- Mountain_Skies 6y ago
  Social Credit points perhaps?
  - seppin 6y ago
    ethnonationalism is a helluva drug
- blackrock 6y ago
  Why can’t he or anyone, present an alternative question to elicit a conversation about it? Otherwise, we will have mob rule.
- dang 6y ago
  You've seriously broken the HN guidelines. We ban accounts that do this. Please read the rules and stick to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. If you'd like more explanation, there is plenty at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 and the links back from there.
billawang 6y ago
They sell to corrupt CCP officials.
blackrock 6y ago
This is actually an interesting question. The western countries are accusing China of fake genocide here, such as suppressing the Uyghur culture, their language, their food, their clothing, even their haircuts. But yet, H&M is a western brand, that sells jeans and T-shirt, which are western style clothes. So, if the Uyghurs are buying and wearing H&M clothes, instead of traditional Uyghur clothes, then they are in effect genociding themselves. So therefore, H&M and the West, are in effect, helping to genocide Uyghur culture. The funny thing also, is that one of the most famous Chinese actresses right now, is Dilraba Dilmurat, of the Uyghur ethnicity. And she is rising in stardom in the Chinese entertainment world. So if the Chinese are really trying to genocide the Uyghurs, then I highly doubt they’d let a Uyghur girl rise up too far in their entertainment culture. Can you imagine the Nazis promoting Jews in their films? That is the analogy here. Something to think about.
- chinkycho 6y ago
  Han Chinese reproduce like rabbits and CCP sends them to Tibet, Xinjiang to erase local culture. Those are the people who buy in H&M. Its irrelevant that there is one actress who is popular. If CCP wants it can disappear or put them in concentration camp. Its like saying you have a black friend and therefore not racist.
- sofixa 6y ago
  ] The western countries are accusing China of fake genocide here, such as suppressing the Uyghur culture, their language, their food, their clothing, even their haircuts First of all, that's not a fake genocide. Forced cultural assimilation is still considered genocide. Second, the accusations are far more serious - concentration camps with various human rights abuses. That's in classic genocide territory, going as far as the Herrero and Namaqua one. > The funny thing also, is that one of the most famous Chinese actresses right now, is Dilraba Dilmurat, of the Uyghur ethnicity. And she is rising in stardom in the Chinese entertainment world. > So if the Chinese are really trying to genocide the Uyghurs, then I highly doubt they’d let a Uyghur girl rise up too far in their entertainment culture. > Can you imagine the Nazis promoting Jews in their films? That is the analogy here The comparison isn't apt, because the Chinese don't claim Uyghurs are enemies of the people or w/e, just that their culture is terrorist. They're doing cultural assimilation, not mass extermination ( mostly). So a culturally assimilated actress is a perfect tool - see, they're not all bad, it's not in their blood/race!
dang 6y ago
You've broken the HN guidelines. Other people breaking the rules does not make that ok. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here. If you'd like more explanation, there is plenty at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 and the links back from there.

by Leary 6y ago

H&M has a store in Urumqi, the capital of Xinjiang. I'm curious, who were they selling to? The Uyghurs that are being genocided or the Han Chinese doing the genociding?

quantstats 6y ago

I’m curious: looking at your posting history, are you at least being paid to astroturf pro-CCP propaganda, or do you do it for free? Could you give us some insight into how it works?

unityByFreedom 6y ago
I'm betting free, and that gives me hope there is actual fact finding going on even if we don't see the result. It may not just be trolling.
Mountain_Skies 6y ago
Social Credit points perhaps?
- seppin 6y ago
  ethnonationalism is a helluva drug
blackrock 6y ago
Why can’t he or anyone, present an alternative question to elicit a conversation about it? Otherwise, we will have mob rule.
dang 6y ago
You've seriously broken the HN guidelines. We ban accounts that do this. Please read the rules and stick to them: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. If you'd like more explanation, there is plenty at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 and the links back from there.

billawang 6y ago

They sell to corrupt CCP officials.

blackrock 6y ago

This is actually an interesting question. The western countries are accusing China of fake genocide here, such as suppressing the Uyghur culture, their language, their food, their clothing, even their haircuts. But yet, H&M is a western brand, that sells jeans and T-shirt, which are western style clothes. So, if the Uyghurs are buying and wearing H&M clothes, instead of traditional Uyghur clothes, then they are in effect genociding themselves. So therefore, H&M and the West, are in effect, helping to genocide Uyghur culture. The funny thing also, is that one of the most famous Chinese actresses right now, is Dilraba Dilmurat, of the Uyghur ethnicity. And she is rising in stardom in the Chinese entertainment world. So if the Chinese are really trying to genocide the Uyghurs, then I highly doubt they’d let a Uyghur girl rise up too far in their entertainment culture. Can you imagine the Nazis promoting Jews in their films? That is the analogy here. Something to think about.

chinkycho 6y ago
Han Chinese reproduce like rabbits and CCP sends them to Tibet, Xinjiang to erase local culture. Those are the people who buy in H&M. Its irrelevant that there is one actress who is popular. If CCP wants it can disappear or put them in concentration camp. Its like saying you have a black friend and therefore not racist.
sofixa 6y ago
] The western countries are accusing China of fake genocide here, such as suppressing the Uyghur culture, their language, their food, their clothing, even their haircuts First of all, that's not a fake genocide. Forced cultural assimilation is still considered genocide. Second, the accusations are far more serious - concentration camps with various human rights abuses. That's in classic genocide territory, going as far as the Herrero and Namaqua one. > The funny thing also, is that one of the most famous Chinese actresses right now, is Dilraba Dilmurat, of the Uyghur ethnicity. And she is rising in stardom in the Chinese entertainment world. > So if the Chinese are really trying to genocide the Uyghurs, then I highly doubt they’d let a Uyghur girl rise up too far in their entertainment culture. > Can you imagine the Nazis promoting Jews in their films? That is the analogy here The comparison isn't apt, because the Chinese don't claim Uyghurs are enemies of the people or w/e, just that their culture is terrorist. They're doing cultural assimilation, not mass extermination ( mostly). So a culturally assimilated actress is a perfect tool - see, they're not all bad, it's not in their blood/race!

dang 6y ago

You've broken the HN guidelines. Other people breaking the rules does not make that ok. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here. If you'd like more explanation, there is plenty at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26652363 and the links back from there.