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> If you’ve never lived in a society that offered socialist advantages like affordable health care, elder care, government-funded community engagement programs,

> If you’ve never lived in a society that offered socialist advantages like affordable health care, elder care, government-funded community engagement programs, etc. then I guess it’s easy to be scared by things you don’t understand. I don’t think it’s commenting in good faith to think the only reason I would find those things dystopic is because I am ignorant or haven’t experienced them. That sort of insulting non-answer from utopian is precisely what tends to scare me — and lead to horrific outcomes in the real world.

subpixel 6y ago
I'm not guessing that it's easy to misunderstand things one has not experienced - that's axiomatic. And there's nothing utopian about, for example, healthcare in Germany (with which I have a decade's experience) - it's just more accessible, more affordable, and more effective at producing public health outcomes than what exists in America, my country of birth. There is nothing dystopian about having a dental emergency handled in the middle of the night, at no cost to you.
- bopbeepboop 6y ago
  > I'm not guessing that it's easy to misunderstand things one has not experienced - that's axiomatic. I’ll say it again: You’re assuming I’m ignorant about or haven’t experienced what you’re talking about. This comment, like the one before, isn’t made in good faith.
  - subpixel 6y ago
    > This comment, like the one before, isn’t made in good faith. That's a rich assessment on a thread about the precipitous decline in US church attendance. I rest my case.
    - dang 6y ago
      Please don't break the site guidelines like this, regardless of what another commenter does. It only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dang 6y ago
    If you continue to break the site guidelines like this we are going to have to ban you again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

subpixel 6y ago

I'm not guessing that it's easy to misunderstand things one has not experienced - that's axiomatic. And there's nothing utopian about, for example, healthcare in Germany (with which I have a decade's experience) - it's just more accessible, more affordable, and more effective at producing public health outcomes than what exists in America, my country of birth. There is nothing dystopian about having a dental emergency handled in the middle of the night, at no cost to you.

bopbeepboop 6y ago
> I'm not guessing that it's easy to misunderstand things one has not experienced - that's axiomatic. I’ll say it again: You’re assuming I’m ignorant about or haven’t experienced what you’re talking about. This comment, like the one before, isn’t made in good faith.
- subpixel 6y ago
  > This comment, like the one before, isn’t made in good faith. That's a rich assessment on a thread about the precipitous decline in US church attendance. I rest my case.
  - dang 6y ago
    Please don't break the site guidelines like this, regardless of what another commenter does. It only makes things worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- dang 6y ago
  If you continue to break the site guidelines like this we are going to have to ban you again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.