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Even still those are selling to consumers. How do you expect an HP or a Dell to figure out how to sell a user on an i5-11500 instead of the slower & more expens

Even still those are selling to consumers. How do you expect an HP or a Dell to figure out how to sell a user on an i5-11500 instead of the slower & more expensive i5-11600T? Why isn't the i5 lineup just 11600 = the 125w part, 11500 = 65w part, and 11400 = 35w part? Is there really enough gap in product stacks to justify a different 11400T vs. 11500T at a $10 difference?

vbezhenar 6y ago
It's about silicone lottery. They could ignore best chips and sell them along bad chips at the same price. Or they could market best chips as another product with a higher price. And that's the whole spectrum.
- kllrnohj 6y ago
  Sure, but we're talking a $10, or ~5%, difference. Either these bin identically (since Intel is charging an ~identical amount for them), or one of these will be permanently out of stock making it functionally not exist in the stack anyway. The actual profit difference here will be even less as simply having that extra sku costs overhead. So what practically changes if the 11500T just didn't exist? i7-11700T vs. i7-11900T would be silicon lottery in play, that's $323 vs. $439 for a +100mhz clock bump. Although then there's the question of "what is this 35w desktop CPU market that will pay for a $439 CPU?"
leetcrew 6y ago
it doesn't really make sense for dell to offer a choice between T and non-T for the same model. the only reason to use a T part is to stay under a power/TDP budget.
andrewf 6y ago
Is it possible that this proliferation of SKUs is how Intel gives each of HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, etc exactly what they are asking for? (I presume, if you buy enough Intel CPUs, you have purchasing managers who are constantly chatting back and forth with sales engineer types at Intel)
- Spooky23 6y ago
  As a customer, if you’re buying as few as 20,000 PCs a year, you’ll be able to get some sort of “investment” from Intel.
Spooky23 6y ago
The reality is they segment based on availability and price. Nobody really cares. HP has a little more wiggle room because of their AMD line. Dell gets dibs on parts.

vbezhenar 6y ago

It's about silicone lottery. They could ignore best chips and sell them along bad chips at the same price. Or they could market best chips as another product with a higher price. And that's the whole spectrum.

kllrnohj 6y ago
Sure, but we're talking a $10, or ~5%, difference. Either these bin identically (since Intel is charging an ~identical amount for them), or one of these will be permanently out of stock making it functionally not exist in the stack anyway. The actual profit difference here will be even less as simply having that extra sku costs overhead. So what practically changes if the 11500T just didn't exist? i7-11700T vs. i7-11900T would be silicon lottery in play, that's $323 vs. $439 for a +100mhz clock bump. Although then there's the question of "what is this 35w desktop CPU market that will pay for a $439 CPU?"

leetcrew 6y ago

it doesn't really make sense for dell to offer a choice between T and non-T for the same model. the only reason to use a T part is to stay under a power/TDP budget.

andrewf 6y ago

Is it possible that this proliferation of SKUs is how Intel gives each of HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, etc exactly what they are asking for? (I presume, if you buy enough Intel CPUs, you have purchasing managers who are constantly chatting back and forth with sales engineer types at Intel)

Spooky23 6y ago
As a customer, if you’re buying as few as 20,000 PCs a year, you’ll be able to get some sort of “investment” from Intel.

Spooky23 6y ago

The reality is they segment based on availability and price. Nobody really cares. HP has a little more wiggle room because of their AMD line. Dell gets dibs on parts.