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Again, I agree with you. I do want to point out, though that those are not abstract concept or limited use cases. Any business, including competitive employment

Again, I agree with you. I do want to point out, though that those are not abstract concept or limited use cases. Any business, including competitive employment positions, can apply for that license, as long as they meet the parameters laid our in the law and regulation. I'm assuming that because of its size, Amazon would be excluded. Honestly, though, I am not familiar with the application process as we refuse to use it. That being said, I was genuinely just trying to point out that it is, in fact, legal to pay individuals with disabilities less than an individual without a disability. Language is important. Claiming that trying to pay individual b (who has a disability) any less than what you would pay individual a (who does not) for any work is automatically disability discrimination is just wrong. I've been sued several times by people who believe that fact, and have been proven right in my statements by the courts. I don't like it, but I don't control the law. Please note, I am not saying your needs wouldn't be an appropriate accommodation from Amazon. Please note that I am not saying it is morally okay to pay individuals with disabilities less. Maybe I'm being too pedantic. But honestly, the number of people who genuinely believe that they are entitled to get literally whatever they want however they want it, regardless of any other factor, simply because of their disability is just astounding. Reasonable is the important part of accommodation.

disabled 6y ago
> Maybe I'm being too pedantic. But honestly, the number of people who genuinely believe that they are entitled to get literally whatever they want however they want it, regardless of any other factor, simply because of their disability is just astounding. As I said, it's life-threatening, and I can assure you that autonomic dysreflexia is one of the worst feelings that one can go through as a human. This issue is solvable via a basic reasonable accommodation, that I have a right to get. I also have a decent work ethic, and I understand that I am paid to work--and that is the only thing that I should be doing at work. This is about common decency and basic human rights, not about entitlement. The fact that you are conflating the right to use restroom (a basic human need), at a consistent, non-excessive time interval (so that I do not experience a life-threatening state) to be some sort of entitlement is absolutely ridiculous. I hope you are not a lawyer, because if you are, you really need to change your perception around disability related matters. However, I will be mindful about the language I use, so thank you. And no, I would not be looking for some settlement, which would be ridiculous, foolish, and incredibly short-sighted. The issue I am trying to address here, besides the matter of disability rights, is just human decency and respect towards others. Amazon does not exalt such values as a company, but especially so by how it treats its employees.
- Loughla 6y ago
  >This is about common decency and basic human rights, not about entitlement. The fact that you are conflating the right to use restroom (a basic human need), at a consistent, non-excessive time interval (so that I do not experience a life-threatening state) to be some sort of entitlement is absolutely ridiculous. I really want to be clear. I am not doing that. I am genuinely not saying you are one of those people, and I apologize for my words if that's how it sounded. Your case sounds pretty straight forward - just make sure there's a bathroom somewhere close. My experience is that many individuals in the disability world (keep in mind I work with youth and young adults and their parents/advocates) are very entitled. They believe there are no boundaries on what is an acceptable, and reasonable accommodation. That is what I was getting at. That statement legitimately had nothing to do with you. It was a statement. I get defensive about this because I genuinely get sued three or four times a year for access complaints that are completely unfounded. I am a huge advocate for disability rights, and believe the current system of basic access is inadequate. But I am also sick of being accused of discrimination because I don't treat every individual that I work with like a small doll made of crystal.
  - disabled 6y ago
    I’m sorry that you go through this. Next time, I will be more considerate when posting and tone it down. A lot of the issues you mention with young adults is a generational divide in the disabled community: the post-ADA generation and the pre-ADA generation. The post-ADA people never had to truly fight for their rights against people that had true actual contempt against their existence as disabled human beings. On social media, it gets weird. The disabled identity online is completely incongruent with any semblance of a professional life, so if one wants to be successful in real life, it is best to run away from it if you are a disabled person. The disabled culture online scares normal and typical people, and for good reasons: people rage post about the indignities and injustices that they face as human beings on a regular basis. It makes normal people extremely uncomfortable at minimum. I have self-respect so I don’t have social media accounts besides HN and a Reddit account, which I use to assist others. Of course I could post horrible injustices that have occurred to me. But what would that do? Nothing, besides cause outrage. That is the problem right there. The post-ADA generation often does not realize that there are people out there that have absolute contempt just for your existence as a human being, and to win, you have to fight a nasty battle, take the high road, and chances are, you will lose and lose again. Eventually you may win, but you will probably be dragged in the dirt during the whole process. There are consequences but taking risks and doing the right thing ultimately prevail.

disabled 6y ago

> Maybe I'm being too pedantic. But honestly, the number of people who genuinely believe that they are entitled to get literally whatever they want however they want it, regardless of any other factor, simply because of their disability is just astounding. As I said, it's life-threatening, and I can assure you that autonomic dysreflexia is one of the worst feelings that one can go through as a human. This issue is solvable via a basic reasonable accommodation, that I have a right to get. I also have a decent work ethic, and I understand that I am paid to work--and that is the only thing that I should be doing at work. This is about common decency and basic human rights, not about entitlement. The fact that you are conflating the right to use restroom (a basic human need), at a consistent, non-excessive time interval (so that I do not experience a life-threatening state) to be some sort of entitlement is absolutely ridiculous. I hope you are not a lawyer, because if you are, you really need to change your perception around disability related matters. However, I will be mindful about the language I use, so thank you. And no, I would not be looking for some settlement, which would be ridiculous, foolish, and incredibly short-sighted. The issue I am trying to address here, besides the matter of disability rights, is just human decency and respect towards others. Amazon does not exalt such values as a company, but especially so by how it treats its employees.

Loughla 6y ago
>This is about common decency and basic human rights, not about entitlement. The fact that you are conflating the right to use restroom (a basic human need), at a consistent, non-excessive time interval (so that I do not experience a life-threatening state) to be some sort of entitlement is absolutely ridiculous. I really want to be clear. I am not doing that. I am genuinely not saying you are one of those people, and I apologize for my words if that's how it sounded. Your case sounds pretty straight forward - just make sure there's a bathroom somewhere close. My experience is that many individuals in the disability world (keep in mind I work with youth and young adults and their parents/advocates) are very entitled. They believe there are no boundaries on what is an acceptable, and reasonable accommodation. That is what I was getting at. That statement legitimately had nothing to do with you. It was a statement. I get defensive about this because I genuinely get sued three or four times a year for access complaints that are completely unfounded. I am a huge advocate for disability rights, and believe the current system of basic access is inadequate. But I am also sick of being accused of discrimination because I don't treat every individual that I work with like a small doll made of crystal.
- disabled 6y ago
  I’m sorry that you go through this. Next time, I will be more considerate when posting and tone it down. A lot of the issues you mention with young adults is a generational divide in the disabled community: the post-ADA generation and the pre-ADA generation. The post-ADA people never had to truly fight for their rights against people that had true actual contempt against their existence as disabled human beings. On social media, it gets weird. The disabled identity online is completely incongruent with any semblance of a professional life, so if one wants to be successful in real life, it is best to run away from it if you are a disabled person. The disabled culture online scares normal and typical people, and for good reasons: people rage post about the indignities and injustices that they face as human beings on a regular basis. It makes normal people extremely uncomfortable at minimum. I have self-respect so I don’t have social media accounts besides HN and a Reddit account, which I use to assist others. Of course I could post horrible injustices that have occurred to me. But what would that do? Nothing, besides cause outrage. That is the problem right there. The post-ADA generation often does not realize that there are people out there that have absolute contempt just for your existence as a human being, and to win, you have to fight a nasty battle, take the high road, and chances are, you will lose and lose again. Eventually you may win, but you will probably be dragged in the dirt during the whole process. There are consequences but taking risks and doing the right thing ultimately prevail.