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"Just an odd concern for an end user, IMO." About as odd as end users concerned about which OS has a more true multi-tasking implementation. Those who mention

by YooLi 15y ago

"Just an odd concern for an end user, IMO." About as odd as end users concerned about which OS has a more true multi-tasking implementation. Those who mention the profitability of iOS devices as a plus are probably about as numerous as those who mention multi-tasking. "Everyone makes money on new device sales." I think you misunderstood. I never said Android manufacturers aren't making money, I said they aren't making enough to support the device as long as people would like: "Because they don't make enough on them to continue supporting them."

seabee 15y ago
"Those who mention the profitability of iOS devices as a plus are probably about as numerous as those who mention multi-tasking." These are both uncommon concerns, to be sure, but they're not both odd. The difference is that the former has no direct effect on the user experience, at best it's an enabler for continued updates. There might well be a use for the phone in which true multitasking is desired, if you need that use then wanting the feature is no more 'odd' than someone wanting a plumber's snake because they're a plumber.
- guptaneil 15y ago
  Profitability has a direct impact on user experience, in that it fuels the third-party app ecosystem. A platform is only as good as its apps, and a company that is on the verge of bankruptcy is not likely to inspire confidence in developers. The GP's car analogy falls apart here because when I buy a car, unless I'm an after-market modder, I don't plan to add more functionality to the car. Instead, I expect the car to continue to work as I bought it (aside from normal wear and tear of course), regardless of what other cars are on the highway. I expect my phone, on the other hand, to be able to run the latest and greatest apps and games, so when another platform keeps getting all the shiny apps, it impacts my user experience. Yes, "true" multitasking might be a desired feature for some people, in which case it should be weighted accordingly. But it's not anymore odd to consider a company's profitability as a decision factor.
  - seabee 15y ago
    > I expect my phone, on the other hand, to be able to run the latest and greatest apps and games, so when another platform keeps getting all the shiny apps, it impacts my user experience. The funny thing is, nobody had that expectation until the iPhone came along. Score one for Apple.
  - kenjackson 15y ago
    Profitability has a direct impact on user experience, in that it fuels the third-party app ecosystem. Not true. Apple making a huge profit says nothing about your ability to make a profit. XBox wasn't profitable for a long time, yet game devs have made tons of money from it. In contrast the Wii was FAR more profitable out the gate, but the attach rate is much lower than the XBox360. So XBox360 has a bigger ecosystem, better attach rate, higher quality games -- yet was less profitable than the Wii. How can that be? Because profit != ecosystem. Yes, "true" multitasking might be a desired feature for some people, in which case it should be weighted accordingly. But it's not anymore odd to consider a company's profitability as a decision factor. Again, a company's profitability says nothing about the phone or the app ecosystem. The ONLY thing it says is that Apple has huge margins which it has obtained through very good deals with the carriers. End users buying phones are paying about the same price for Android or iPhone devices. They all pretty much range from $50-$250 dollars on contract. And while Android may not have the margins that the iPhone does, do you think anyone goes into a Verizon and thinks -- what if Google goes bankrupt?

by YooLi 15y ago

seabee 15y ago

"Those who mention the profitability of iOS devices as a plus are probably about as numerous as those who mention multi-tasking." These are both uncommon concerns, to be sure, but they're not both odd. The difference is that the former has no direct effect on the user experience, at best it's an enabler for continued updates. There might well be a use for the phone in which true multitasking is desired, if you need that use then wanting the feature is no more 'odd' than someone wanting a plumber's snake because they're a plumber.

guptaneil 15y ago
Profitability has a direct impact on user experience, in that it fuels the third-party app ecosystem. A platform is only as good as its apps, and a company that is on the verge of bankruptcy is not likely to inspire confidence in developers. The GP's car analogy falls apart here because when I buy a car, unless I'm an after-market modder, I don't plan to add more functionality to the car. Instead, I expect the car to continue to work as I bought it (aside from normal wear and tear of course), regardless of what other cars are on the highway. I expect my phone, on the other hand, to be able to run the latest and greatest apps and games, so when another platform keeps getting all the shiny apps, it impacts my user experience. Yes, "true" multitasking might be a desired feature for some people, in which case it should be weighted accordingly. But it's not anymore odd to consider a company's profitability as a decision factor.
- seabee 15y ago
  > I expect my phone, on the other hand, to be able to run the latest and greatest apps and games, so when another platform keeps getting all the shiny apps, it impacts my user experience. The funny thing is, nobody had that expectation until the iPhone came along. Score one for Apple.
- kenjackson 15y ago
  Profitability has a direct impact on user experience, in that it fuels the third-party app ecosystem. Not true. Apple making a huge profit says nothing about your ability to make a profit. XBox wasn't profitable for a long time, yet game devs have made tons of money from it. In contrast the Wii was FAR more profitable out the gate, but the attach rate is much lower than the XBox360. So XBox360 has a bigger ecosystem, better attach rate, higher quality games -- yet was less profitable than the Wii. How can that be? Because profit != ecosystem. Yes, "true" multitasking might be a desired feature for some people, in which case it should be weighted accordingly. But it's not anymore odd to consider a company's profitability as a decision factor. Again, a company's profitability says nothing about the phone or the app ecosystem. The ONLY thing it says is that Apple has huge margins which it has obtained through very good deals with the carriers. End users buying phones are paying about the same price for Android or iPhone devices. They all pretty much range from $50-$250 dollars on contract. And while Android may not have the margins that the iPhone does, do you think anyone goes into a Verizon and thinks -- what if Google goes bankrupt?