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Major conflict is a relative term, but I'd call Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and Armenia major conflicts that happened in Europe within last ~20 years.
by dmos62 6y ago
Major conflict is a relative term, but I'd call Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and Armenia major conflicts that happened in Europe within last ~20 years.
- eloff 6y agoThose are not the kind of major WWII style conflicts discussed in the article.
- astrobe_ 6y agoI believe it did not escalate to a major conflict because UE carefully avoided it. Ukraine, in my profane view, was clearly a casus belli for UE, as this country, IIRC, was seriously considering joining the UE and UE members were not objecting (unlike for Turkey - some say this rejection was the cause of Erdogan).
- tablespoon 6y ago>> Major conflict is a relative term, but I'd call Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine and Armenia major conflicts that happened in Europe within last ~20 years. > Those are not the kind of major WWII style conflicts discussed in the article. WWII-style conflicts are an especially major type. They were so unusually major that the "world war" moniker was coined for them, because calling them a plain "war" just wouldn't do, and anything similarly unusually major would probably be cataclysmic at this point. I don't think that should be the threshold for calling something "major."
- eloff 6y agoNeither would I, but that's the context for this discussion. Major conflict between major powers as described in the article. One can bike-shed endlessly about definitions, but let's keep it to the context.
- dmos62 6y agoEither you're talking about a World War scale conflict or a regional conflict. "Major conflict in Europe" is by definition regional, because you've constrained it to Europe. If it doesn't involve Europe, it can't be a World War.
- eloff 6y agoJust read the article man. I've no further interest in nitpicking over definitions. The article talks about preparing for war with other major powers, with WWII levels of casualties.
- dmos62 6y agoI'm not commenting on the article. I'm commenting on you saying that you can't imagine a major conflict in Europe.
- eloff 6y ago> Either you're talking about a World War scale conflict or a regional conflict. "Major conflict in Europe" is by definition regional, because you've constrained it to Europe. If it doesn't involve Europe, it can't be a World War. Looks like nit picking over definitions to me. I don't see a connection to me not imaging a war between major powers in Europe. Can you make the connection for me?
- dmos62 6y agoDon't get angry. You said that you can't imagine a major conflict in Europe. That's ignorant, because Europe has never been war-free for more than a few years at a time, so I pointed that out. If you meant to say that you can't imagine something akin to WW2 or something, then just say that. Maybe you were talking about Western Europe.
- aksss 6y agoLet’s not forget how WW1 started. Had there been no WW1, thee would not have been a WW2.
- eloff 6y agoYep, true on both counts.