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Are you aware of the fact that most companies cheated with emissions? Volkswagen was just a scapegoat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal#/

Are you aware of the fact that most companies cheated with emissions? Volkswagen was just a scapegoat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal#/media/File:Nitrogen_oxide_on-road_emissions_by_manufacturer_and_capacity.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_emissions_scandal#/medi...

jtreminio 6y ago
> I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later found to be doing
- failwhaleshark 6y ago
  News reporters are like parrots. They don't really know anything but mimic whatever they hear.
failwhaleshark 6y ago
They were the first discovered by ICCT, and the media latched onto that. They should've waited to release their findings because their subsequent test results went widely unnoticed.
6gvONxR4sf7o 6y ago
> What they did was absolutely reprehensible, but I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later found to be doing - > That doesn't make it any less wrong, but it does put them back on par with just about every other auto manufacturer in my mind. And it does seem (as others have cited) like there was some genuine change that followed. Thanks for bringing that to our attention, but I think there’s a slight chance they might be aware already.
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knz_ 6y ago
Even worse is now that every diesel car and truck comes with extremely unreliable and expensive to keep operational DPFs in place of the defeat devices. Now people who live in areas that do emissions testing are forced to use less efficient vehicles, and people who don't are just removing the DPFs (rather than paying thousands of dollars every few months in repairs) and putting out more emissions than defeat device era vehicles. A lot of ignorance surrounds this subject, and blind environmentalism has directly lead to a worse outcome than the previous status quo.
fomine3 6y ago
Actively cheating on test environment vs not good at real usage is very different. In latter case, possibly test and regulation should be improved to fit real usage.

jtreminio 6y ago

> I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later found to be doing

failwhaleshark 6y ago
News reporters are like parrots. They don't really know anything but mimic whatever they hear.

failwhaleshark 6y ago

They were the first discovered by ICCT, and the media latched onto that. They should've waited to release their findings because their subsequent test results went widely unnoticed.

6gvONxR4sf7o 6y ago

> What they did was absolutely reprehensible, but I later learned that the more accurate story is that they bore the brunt of media attention for something that nearly every auto manufacturer was later found to be doing - > That doesn't make it any less wrong, but it does put them back on par with just about every other auto manufacturer in my mind. And it does seem (as others have cited) like there was some genuine change that followed. Thanks for bringing that to our attention, but I think there’s a slight chance they might be aware already.

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knz_ 6y ago

Even worse is now that every diesel car and truck comes with extremely unreliable and expensive to keep operational DPFs in place of the defeat devices. Now people who live in areas that do emissions testing are forced to use less efficient vehicles, and people who don't are just removing the DPFs (rather than paying thousands of dollars every few months in repairs) and putting out more emissions than defeat device era vehicles. A lot of ignorance surrounds this subject, and blind environmentalism has directly lead to a worse outcome than the previous status quo.

fomine3 6y ago

Actively cheating on test environment vs not good at real usage is very different. In latter case, possibly test and regulation should be improved to fit real usage.