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Eh, the political left is just as guilty of abusing "science" for its own agenda. If you look at what peer reviewed articles in medical journals say about COVI
by eric_b 6y ago
Eh, the political left is just as guilty of abusing "science" for its own agenda. If you look at what peer reviewed articles in medical journals say about COVID, and then you look at the "pro-science" left-leaning-media coverage - you'll see two entirely different things. The political left picks and chooses the findings it likes to fit the narrative, and exaggerates them for effect.
In the United States, if you live in a democrat controlled area the only way your kids were going to school in-person during COVID was private education. We had a wealth of data by September of last year showing that it was possible, and worth the risk, to open schools for younger children. And yet it was politics that kept our children out of school, under the guise of "science".
The same is true of masks. The outcomes in places with and without mask mandates are roughly similar in terms of spread and mortality. But god forbid you suggest that wearing a mask while working out is counterproductive at best.
The whole talking point bugs me. There's no such thing as "science says". On most topics you'll find a wealth of "science" that is contradictory. It's through assimilation and reconciliation of various conflicts through further experimentation that we arrive at "the truth."
Calling an entire group "Anti-science" is just another way to shut down conversation and dialog. Just like calling an entire group lazy, racist, criminals, etc.
- pjc50 6y ago> possible, and worth the risk, to open schools for younger children Could you elaborate on this? It seems to be clear that while children themselves are relatively unscathed, they spread the virus among themselves and to their family members quite effectively.
- eric_b 6y agoI mean, Google will tell you everything you need to know: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/transmission_k_12_schools.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... > Based on the data available, in-person learning in schools has not been associated with substantial community transmission. Although national COVID-19 case incidence rates among children and adolescents have risen over time, this trend parallels trends observed among adults.17 Increases in case incidence among school-aged children and school reopenings do not appear to pre-date increases in community transmission We knew all of this back in September because Europe had taken the lead on keeping schools open in many places. Only now in the United States is it politically palatable to talk about.
- radiospiel 6y agowell, look at current numbers and see where that took us. Apparently, open schools, depending on factors of air filtering etc., can contribute quite a bit to the spread of covid - as recent studies suggest.
- pjc50 6y agoGoogle will tell you all sorts of things. But it does generally seem to confirm this view with a few caveats - risk is higher in older children, and transmission to and among staff still possible. https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/children-and-school-settings-covid-19-transmission https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/children-and... https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30927-0/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...
- bryanlarsen 6y agoGMO foods is one area where the much of the left has a solid anti-science bias.
- Udik 6y ago> There's no such thing as "science says" This. Whoever knows and respects science knows it's a process, it's slow, it's full of contradictory results, hesitations, contrarians and cliques. It's the best we have for getting closer to useful truths about the world, but if you think you can take the last published paper and use that as the final support for your worldview, then you didn't understand how it works.
- JangoSteve 6y agoIf I'm not mistaken, the studies indicated that in-person schooling could be done relatively safely with proper precautions, but in the US, most schools didn't/don't have the means to implement many of the precautions outlined. It's not really as simple as arguing that in-person schooling is safe, but democrat-controlled areas are closing down the schools anyway. I'm also not sure what outcomes you're talking about with/without mask mandates. There are a lot of studies that show the effectiveness of mask mandates in slowing the spread of the disease. Do you have a study that shows outcomes are roughly similar in terms of spread and mortality between places with and without mandates? So far, I've only been able to find commentary that distorts the findings of the studies they purport to be citing.
- ryandrake 6y ago> The same is true of masks. The outcomes in places with and without mask mandates are roughly similar in terms of spread and mortality. But god forbid you suggest that wearing a mask while working out is counterproductive at best. Mask "mandates" in the US were largely unenforced, and therefore ignored by enough people to cause uncontrolled spread. Expecting a mask mandate to work without enforcing adoption is like expecting a "no smoking" section on an airplane to work.